Sylvester
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I never found one, but I grew up in the 80's and probably back then didn't know what to look for anyway.
Chris
This is where i bang my head against the desk...
Seeing George VI stuff was an everyday occurence so i probably didn't check it as often as i should.
By the time i was checking i must have come across two/three silver florins in 1988-1992.
I'm sure i saw at least one, possibly 2 G6 florins, i think one would have been 1939, not sure about the other if there was one. I think i saw these before i started so i didn't know they were silver, but i'm sure i saw one that was a good few years older than the 1947/8s i was used to seeing, hence why i have a vague feeling that i did get one.
However this is where i know for a fact i definately had a silver coin. My mother sent me to the shop, as was just on the street from us, and i always made a point of looking at the 10ps she had given me. And low and behold what should i see but a George V florin, one of the latter design ones used after 1927.
Well i really wanted to keep it but my mother had insisted i spent it, so being about 5 or 6 and no money of my own to swap it with, i didn't have alot of choice in the matter. And bye bye went the last silver coin i ever saw in circulation.
I WASN'T BEST PLEASED ABOUT THAT! I'M STILL NOT...
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I must have drifted into it a little later than you two, as i only remember recieving florins in change, that is as legal tender.
I have recieved many shillings in change since the 10p reduced in size, but i don't remember getting any as 5ps whilst they were legal tender.
So i guess it was those florins that did it.
But what really kicked it off was my father giving me his old collection back in 1989/90 what little of it there was, mostly change finds, but five coins stood out that really caught me and brought me into the collecting fraternity.
An 1887 Shilling in VF, an 1853 half penny in F, and my three favourites, 1882H penny, an 1807 penny, both well worn. And a 1932 penny. Now anyone who knows the penny series at all will know that 1882 (without H) penny is extremely rare, as is the 1933 penny.
So as a child when browsing through my battered 1985 coin catalogue it was that feeling of being just off by one date, or having the extra H, i suppose that really sparked of my interest.
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Maybe he thought you had a bigger one...So to speak.
Chris
Erm yeah...something like that but not quite how you are inferring Chris.
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Oh My God, that is awful, those bloody hyped up Westminster collection people, they're worse than Coincraft!
Great coin for British Neo Nazis though!
Actually, erm i'm not sure how to say this but...
I think i prefer that to the normal variety, nice change there. (I hate coloured coins cos they destroy all the workmanship and subtle design of most coins, but with the normal Churcher you really have to ask, what design? well now it's got one...)
Erm can i borrow that image? Some people really need to see this!
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Yes, good point.
Strange how a relatively modern period of coin production seems to be inaccurately or not at all recorded.
Will the truth ever be revealed, I wonder.
Chris
That's the problem me and Eliza have been having.
Anyhow where is Eliza out of interest?
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Probably up to 1763 I would have thought, until the £100 worth of Nothumberland's. Who knows??!!
Nobody.
Chris
I'll tell you this for nothing, i have a distinct feeling that there was more than 2000 of those minted.
And why did they supposedly mint £100 worth, and not 100Gns worth?
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I find the 1952's sell for £3-4 even in Good, but you can't go far wrong swapping that kind of toot for high grade silver coins!
Talking of plectrums, I once had a Japanese Guitar shop manager buy all my EII Sixpences to be sold as Brian May plectrums in Japan! (Brian May actually uses a sixpence as a plectrum)
Rock On
Chris
I knew about Brian May using a sixpence for his guitar!!! I'm sure some other people have done this too?
Ah well my next goal should this US collector choose to accept it is swapping a 2000 gold half sovereign, UNC variety, (not perfect as it was bought from a jewelry shop, and that annoying habit they have of putting the reference number/price tag sticker over the obverse...arrghh. Well you can tell something was there, hence i've been generous and knocked £10).
But i'm hoping i can swap it for a roll of silver quarters and perhaps i can get some other silver out of him whilst i'm at it, $50 worth of Ag to be precise. I'm just hoping he'll accept it.
Firstly because i don't collect modern bullion gold coins as such, i only bought it because i like the look of it, but i've gone off it now and i'm trying to consolidate my collection's focus, so all the odd bits and bats, like that half, and all the cheap junk i bought over the years can go to the US where they are all fighting for it, and prepared to pay over the odds for it, and i can get quality Morgans etc at the US price rather than the higher prices over here!) The Americans are amazed at how much Morgans go for over here. [supply and demand and all that].
I think i'll have to parcel off the G-F shillings over there next.
And perhaps some of the Poor- F .500 silver rubbish i've been lucky enough to find over the years.
At this rate i'll clear out my junk collection, giving more room for the sixpences/half guineas and Florins (Gothic and Edward VII). And instead of having to go through the nightmare of currency conversion when selling, (or in this country selling at a loss as the QE2 stuff can be found anywhere and everywhere), trading it abroad for some nice quality US silver, and making a tidy profit in the bargin.
By doing that i can keep the Silver Jar topped up with decent quality silver that you don't have to pay over the odds for (unlike the special bullion coins Britannias/American Eagles etc, which are overpriced), and at .900 silver the silver content and price is easier to work out than the .925 stuff. And is more compact than the .500 stuff.
Always nice to have a bit back for a rainy day, and of course i like the designs.
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That's interesting...I just read that during the first 10 years of the reign of George III (1760-1770), £3,810 worth of farthings were struck all from the 1754 George II Dies.
That equates to 3,657,600 1754 farthings on top of the original 1754 farthings.
Chris
Exactly the same thing happened with the 1758 shillings...
They were still being minted well into George III's reign. Not sure how far in though, but there sure is alot of them out there!
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Sylvester,
Well to sell it retail i'd obviously sell for more like £300 but would really expect it to go that quickly.
You got it for a good price, and I'm expecting the 'Mystery' sixpence hopefully tomorrow, so watch this space.
Chris
Well Chris the reason why i asked is because, the place where i got that from, is also the place where i'm thinking of buying some Charles II Sixpences, so i'm just checking his pricing.
It's always seems dead on to me, and sometimes somewhat below. Just thought i'd make sure because some of these sixpences ain't cheap, and i've been ripped off before all too many times, wouldn't want it to happen again. You can't always tell from a picture exactly what the coin is like, that's why i prefer to buy with coin in view, so to speak, there is nothing like it.
I think that half guinea is the first real profit i've actually made, it makes up for all the losses i've had over the years.
But i'm just in the middle of a trade with some US collectors, i believe i've made myself a small profit, and they likewise believe they have made a profit.
Basically i've just traded a full set of Sicpences dated 1948-1967 (including 1952), all graded between G-F, for four 1964 silver quarters graded AU55-MS60.
If i'm not wrong, the 1948-1967 stuff (minus 1952) are optimistically worth about 5p a piece, (total of 90p worth), and the 1952 in G/AVG worth about £1.50 at a push (i payed about £2.50/£3.00 for it, but in conjuction with the rest it balances out nicely, since i got those free!), so a nice total of £2.40 worth of coins for about £2.50 in silver. But these quarters are AU+ so it's a touch more.
And of course the chap at the other end is pleased because silver quarters are everyday occurences over there, and he thinks he's onto a right winner, talk about enthusiastic practically snatched my hand off.
Now that is a deal...but i'm sure i've just come out on top here.
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Sylvester,
Yeah that worked....Right an offer. I suppose £200 if it shows no mounting traces? Maybe we could do something with that sixpence I mentioned.
Chris
£200 hmm not too bad then. I can't see any mounting traces on the thing. Sorry about the trade thing Chris, that coin is currently part of my half-guinea type set...
(sorry i like that emoticon). So no trade here i'm afraid.I just wanted your expert opinion on what it was worth. I actually bought it for £225, so it's not too far out i suppose.
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Try this Chris...please work!!!!
http://www.coinpeople.com/forums/album_pag....php?pic_id=387
I am now logged off on that site so it really should work...
Well it works for me this time Chris; So this one should work!
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Try this Chris...please work!!!!
http://www.coinpeople.com/forums/album_pag....php?pic_id=387
I am now logged off on that site so it really should work...
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Sylvester,
You should get a 'File attachments' prompt under the box you write the post in? I had a look at the permissions and cannot see a reason why you are not getting that...yet.
I was not able to follow your link, it said 'not allowed', or words to that effect.
Chris
I think it's because i was logged in at the time, but i'll sign out and have a go at putting one up. It's worked before on here, so i'm surprised it didn't work this time.
It'll be on shortly. (Alright in about 1/2 hr).
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Yeah, I've bought a few blind lots from Lockdales and they normally take me ages to re sell with about a 10% profit in the long, long run. Hardly worth it most of the time.
I might make it one of the prerequisites of forum membership that you are not allowed to sell anything on ebay and have to support me
Anyway, failing that at least I have you!
Actually, I've bought too much lately and I should really sell something big, like my 1937 Sov to make up for it.
Chris
Chris how much do you think this is worth?
And no i'm not selling it; i just want to know what you'd price it up as...considering how often (or not) one comes across these; it's a half guinea. (please excuse my poor scanning skills)
http://www.coinpeople.com/forums/album_pic....php?pic_id=387
How do you actually post pictures on here? It won't let me use img as i'm used to...?
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Sylvester,
I was never lucky enough to make a first contact. If you could tell him about predecimal.com and ask if he would consider cross linking i'd be very grateful.
Chris
I only made first contact on rcc, that US internet group, but i haven't seen him on there in ages!!!
I dunno where he's gone...
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Good old Tony Clayton again.
I emailed once or twice to see if he would cross link, never got a reply!!
I refuse to link to him now, but his site is bloody good.
Chris
Erm i haven't heard anything from him in ages...
Is he still out there?
And yes Das i get everywhere...
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That's neat Sylvester! Which references do you use for die numbers by date?
DAS
Try this website...
http://www.tclayton.demon.co.uk/dieno.html
This is not an exhaustive list, there may be others unrecorded out there, but it be safe to say these are the majority.
I had a figure somewhere for how long the average die lasted, (i.e how many coins it would be expected to mint), but can i find it? can i....
Syl.
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The flatness of the obverse of Edward VII and pre-1928 George V half crowns I find a problem too. I tend to see how much the "I" of honi and "P" of pense in the garter motto is still clear. It's also remarkable how some people (and eBay has its share of offenders) woefully overgrade coins of this period. I've seen things described as EF I'd barely rate as F.
Geoff
Yes the 'I' and the 'P' are the things to look for when grading these coins.
Often with the E7 stuff i rely on the rev for grading the coin. (not my area of expertise you might say
)E7 2/6d's also wear different to the G5 ones, + they wear much faster.
Syl.
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It's a double arrow fo me too.
I run it!
Aha, worked it out.....It's because there is one or more forum within that forum area (the ad forum about the collectors coins book)
So you get a double arrow to show that there are more areas within.
Alles Klar?
Chris
Ya alle ist klar
Ich kan nicht deutche sprechen
or spell either...
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I can't remeber the difference between the double arrow and 'X' sign, I think it may have something to do with if you started the discussion or not.
I just work here, and only have 1 star on my badge!
Chris
Enquiries about coins is a double arrow for me too Chris!
So if you just work here, who runs it?
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I've never seen any numbers for that kind of thing.
Usually the mintage numbers in any given year are just for the coins struck that year, regardless of how they were dated.
Chris
But the beauty of die numbers is that you can actually work out a rough estimate of how many coins were minted by a particular die in any year.
You find the average die out put that any particular die can be expected to produce, (i had a figure somewhere but it's not at hand now) then you can find all the die numbers for that date (i can get those) and divide the total mintage figure that year by the number of dies.
Hopefully the average die out put number and the number you arrive at will be within a few hundred thousand of each other at the most, give or take.
And by studying how often you come across certain numbers you can figure out which dies were the least used and which were the most used.
Obviously that's greatly simplified but it can be a wonderful study to do!
Sylvester.
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Thanks Sylvester. Did the mint keep records of how many dies they used? Were dies for copper coinaged identifed by number do you know?
I don't know about that. I suppose they would have kept records somewhere, but whether any of these records have survived is another matter!
Not sure about the copper.
I guess that would be a bit like die numbers in the Victorian period if they did though!
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Wow I'd love to get my hands on those! Anyone have any mintage figures? I also messed up the quote jiggers in my last post
Nope no mintage figures that i can get my hands on. Eliza and I have been discussing this mintage figures problem at great length in the Early Milled discussion.
I'll keep my eyes out though.
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Yes there was a bit of an error there and the higher rank actually had less 'pips' associated with it.
I've sorted it now and added a few more goals!
Shown below are the current ranks, and numbers of posts needed to achieve them:
Newbie 0
Starter member 5
Member 30
Regular participating member 50
Very familiar face 150
Part of the furniture 200
Forum god 500
Which left hand symbols do you mean Olli?
Chris
First one to seven gets to buy me a coin!
Well don't all rush at once now...
What got you into coin collecting
in Beginners area
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It appears we have some younger collectors on here...
Who said coin collectors were middle aged? Actually that guy in the York coin shop...
Then he saw me stood there...
Boy did i feel out of place...