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Peckris 2

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  1. 18 hours ago, secret santa said:

    In my humble opinion, varieties are created by the design process, i.e. the decision to strike a coin from a selected pair of obverse and reverse designs. Any anomalies created by the minting (or striking) process are exactly that - anomalies, collectibility of which is in the eye of the beholder. The confusion was probably started by Freeman's decision to grant a variety number to the 1897 Dot penny. As I say, just my opinion. And the debate will probably go on forever. On my websites, I refer to variations to a particular "variety", such as variation in the date spacing, as a "sub-variety" whereas Gouby assigns specific identifiers.

    You pays your money......................

    I agree with all that. However I'd lay the blame not with Freeman but with Coin Monthly! I started collecting as a schoolboy in the late 60s and the very first issue I bought had a Beginners Page featuring (did they call them "varieties"? Can't remember..) three pennies, two of which have been mentioned here: the 1897 O.NE and the 1946 ONE' - plus a Vic copper penny though I don't recall which date or where the extra dot was.

    I think that as a result of that notoriety, those particular anomalies became accepted as varieties.

  2. 10 hours ago, Avocet said:

    I'm not sure I understand. Is anyone suggesting that features like those on the 1915 pennies pictured above were not created during the minting process?

    If we do call such things varieties (not an issue I was attempting to address) how does that give the green light to the sort of nefarious activity you are describing?

    What is, and is not, a variety is something of a 'grey area'. Decades ago, 1961 halfcrowns without the engraver initials EF on the reverse were considered to be a variety. However as soon as it became clear that it was the result of a filled die, it disappeared from the list of varieties overnight. Only very rarely are such things classed as varieties, the exceptions being things like the 1946 ONE' penny. They are accidents of the minting process rather than design changes and therefore only collected by a small group of people.

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  3. 40 minutes ago, absence of uniformity said:

    Hi, could you please define extreme, @Martinminerva took the time before to explain this which I understood. But I cant help but notice these. Im posting this here I dont wish to hijack rather continue the conversation. Am I correct in thinking the image I have attached is not extreme. I can't see any trace of the right leg of the R.

    I over R I dont think so.. but once I see these I kind of stuck on them. I know the early bronze coinage this is quite common. Where it could become interesting if it was I over R. Thanks

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    It looks to me like a repunched R (not extreme). The underlying letter looks offset to the left and a bit lower, and I can certainly see the traces of the right leg of the R 

  4. 19 hours ago, copper123 said:

    Are you sure britannia is a british lady? I strongly suspect she was made up by the romans who would be very unlikely to put a local near naked woman of ancient british origins on one of their coins

     

    18 hours ago, jelida said:

    Not my statement, just quoting the vendor’s description, he/AI couldn’t even call her Britannia. Yes, I’m sure ‘Britannia’ has classical origins. Maybe this medallion of Commodus was an influence, it celebrates action in Britain.

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    Topless unless my eyes deceive me!

  5. That size would make it a shilling. The one that's dated 1711 is the "no E" type (E is for Edinburgh where many of the post-Union - England and Scotland - coins were minted, and the E would be below the bust). The other shilling we can't see the date of, but it's a "plain angles" type - i.e. there is just blank space between the shields of the royal arms; the alternative would be roses or plumes between them.

  6. 11 hours ago, Chris Perkins said:

    The user above was a member when they posted that, but they asked me to delete their account. I left the recent post and others elsewhere for posterity.

    I suppose we'll have to arrive at the identity of whoever it is/was by a process of elimination. Could you give us a teeny weeny clue - a long term member or more recent? (Ah, no need. I've seen another 'Guest' post where it was edited before the member left...)

  7. 15 hours ago, King Kenny said:

    Thanks Jerry. That makes a lot of sense. I have not studied die cracks much, a lot to learn.

    It's a very specialised area - I would guess that the vast majority of collectors aren’t especially interested, or see them negatively as a defect?

  8. 8 minutes ago, Dave Everitt said:

    I just looked this up (I'm after a lustred example) and saw that it was 11% of the total mintage for that year. Google generated, so accuracy TBC!

    Freeman estimated they were about 1 in 20 - i.e. 5% - based on his enormous survey of circulating coins in the 60s. Good luck with getting a high grade - I bought one from Colin Cooke in the 90s, he told me then that top grades of it are rare.

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  9. Just to add a bit more: the first few years of the changeover to bronze saw a helluva lot of repunching of date digits and legend letters. Bronze is a harder metal than copper, and the coins were thinner in size, so dies got worn relatively quickly. As well as that, the Mint is reported to have experienced a lot of problems caused by the change of metal, which the huge number of varieties (major, minor, and micro) in  the first few years can attest to.  

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  10. 12 hours ago, ozjohn said:

    Thanks for the information I already have a couple of 1916 florins in reasonable condition but I was trying to complete the series with a MS 63/4 encapsulated coin to join the other George V encapsulated florins I have. So there's no hurry and I will bide my time.

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    I'd say those are more than reasonable!

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  11. Yes, most certainly a worn die. And a truly shocking price which would be way too high even for a good strike UNC example.

    Here's a much better example at a reasonable price:

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/157378763239?var=0&mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=710-53481-19255-0&campid=5338946167&toolid=20006&loc=&customid=4581527531114051_710033490_o.9beeaa501cf11ef92efac014f4958c05&msclkid=9beeaa501cf11ef92efac014f4958c05

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  12. 15 hours ago, copper123 said:

    Going to see"he music box" at the bridgewater hall  tomorrow well its not really genesis but its very close its 48 years almost to the first time i saw them in 1978 at knebworth for a fiver tickets for tomorrow are £60 but hey you cannot take it with you and life is for living .........

    just put some old cds on and enjoying myself

    I saw them 6 times altogether - 5 with Gabriel, once without. If you want to see the nearest thing to an actual Genesis show these days, Steve Hackett's tours usually focus on a particular era, much as Nick Mason's 'Saucerful of Secrets' tours concentrated on pre-DSOTM Floyd.

    Hope you enjoy the show! (Just watched The Musical Box on YouTube, at Hammersmith Odeon - they seem pretty good :) )

  13. Britain had had a token currency since 1816. Before then the wild fluctuations in metal prices - especially silver and copper - during the reign of George III saw only very limited strikings of those coins for currency. However, even a token coinage needs to not be unprofitable to produce, which it had certainly become by 1919. I'm sure you're right about the reasons behind that.

    Fascinating that the recent rise in silver values more or less brings it into line with the increase in  cost of living  since 1912.

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