Peckris 2
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My understanding of the term "VIP proof" is that it doesn't refer to a characteristicallly different method of striking, but that they are normal proofs produced in very limited quantities for VIP visitors in years when proofs weren't otherwise issued. Therefore there aren’t any VIP proofs for e.g. 1950 1951 1953, but would exist if struck in 1948 1949 1952 or 1954.
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14 hours ago, Paddy said:
Hi @Chris Perkins it might be worth the host reading the thread in Members, Coin Acquisition of the week as that has quite a lot more discussion on this problem.
Unless he's a member he won't be able to.
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The New York examples were struck on polished dies, hence prooflike. They're scarcer than the regular but not sure of the relative mintages.
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all I have is the 12 PENCE MAKE 1 SHILLING
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On 7/9/2025 at 8:14 AM, blakeyboy said:
Reading the sports section on the BBC website this morning, I have just genuinely realised that champion golfers Schauffele and Scheffler
are two separate people.
No wonder I've been confused.
they both wear soft shoes
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On 7/12/2025 at 6:43 PM, blakeyboy said:
What is it about this penny, particularly the obverse, that is making my nose twitch?
Ridiculous price for an at best GVF example.
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better than Fine but not VF in my book
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On 7/6/2025 at 10:23 AM, Coinery said:
What are these worth, now? I’ll be bidding.
You might have competition!
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you've posted in Hammered which I usually mark as “read” as I have no interest in them - could you please check the forum before you post? Many thanks. (These belong in Non-British coins).
Having said that, those two examples are in a very collectable condition.
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You identified my JH 6d as a pattern, I remember! I'll try and post a picture after I've posted without, just to see if I still get 'Forbidden'...
(No, I didn't get 'Forbidden', just "This comment can no longer be edited.." even though it was straight after posting the above comment - and I bet I'm allowed THIS edit even though it's after the picture attempt)
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On 6/11/2025 at 8:21 AM, The Bee said:
Hi Richard, I saw it - don't know what it went for . I had a couple of my typical "low" bids on at Noonan's, but I don't think I won anything.
Very Best Regards
Their estimates are absurd. For most coins, the hammer price is on average double the top estimate.
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7 hours ago, Citizen H said:
Victoria Six pence...1893,
if correct.....apparently only had a Mintage of 1 300 of this date... Awesome!
Actually, it’s the Jubilee Head issue for 1893 that's very rare - the Old Head which you have is the normal (not rare) issue.
But the 1821 is a very nice example.
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I'd say GVF at least, but as said, the tone is offputting. I'm not sure I'd want it in my collection, even if the price was right.
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On 5/27/2025 at 9:59 AM, terrysoldpennies said:
Maybe that's why they changed from the F174 with It's uneven pressing between the two sides to the F177. They were trying to eliminate the ghosting at this time , and its possibly premature ware affecting the reverse side on early types caused by the week low rim that brought about the change. ?
Yes - the Edward obverse was flatter and didn't cause ghosting to the same extent; but the savage ghosting on 1911 and 1912 reverses must have caused them to redesign.
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I've bought silver that was so shiny that some dealers avoided it like the plague. However, I have a nearly infallible way to tell : if the shine is in the fields and between the legend, but not on the design or legend, then I judge it’s natural; it would be virtually impossible to clean only the parts that exclude all the raised elements. As to how they survive in that condition, I wouldn't like to speculate.
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1 hour ago, The Bee said:
Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition.
Very Best Regards
It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein.
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Have you tried the Unconfirmed Varieties forum?
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On 5/15/2025 at 11:33 AM, Citizen H said:
I'm now looking into the actual grade of my coins as a few of my recent shown coins are really in quite good condition (apart from the Hammered Coins). I found with the 3 pence I had 6 of the same date, I was able to compare all and reject the obvious and work down to the best example of the lot, what I recently read.......a opinion of others can be a useful leveller, I believed that Fine would have been a near perfect coin........
Coin Grading UK
Going from the lowest grade to the highest the coin grading system in the UK is as follows:
Poor (P) – extremely worn and most of the details will be missing but you will still be able to identify the coin as to type.
Fair (FR) – A grade where the coin has seen much wear and it is only just discernible what the coin is. Collectors usually stay away from this grade unless the coin or note is especially rare or expensive.
Good (G) – A grade which denotes a considerable amount of wear. The coin is discernible but the lettering may not be clearly visible.
Very Good (VG) – A grade where the coin has experienced a lot of wear and where the details are still discernible but worn.
Fine (F) – A grade when the coin or note has seen considerable wear but is still very collectable. Many collectors like a used coin because they feel that it has actually been somewhere. Collectors on a budget also like this grade.
Very Fine (VF) – A grade of coin where there has been obvious but relatively restricted wear on the highest portions of the coin.
Extremely Fine (EF) – A grade where there is little actual wear except on the high points. On copper and bronze, original lustre might well still be in evidence. A most appealing and attractive grade, much undervalued by the marketplace in its seeking of the ultimate perfection.
About Uncirculated (AU) – A grade which is designated as About Uncirculated.
Uncirculated (Unc) – A grade which indicates that a coin has never been released into circulation. Although a coin may be less than perfect when struck, with scratches and nicks, that does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. Over the years a coin may tone or a copper coin may change from bright to dark, again this does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. The term literally means a coin which has not seen circulation
Brilliant Uncirculated (Brilliant Unc) – On copper and bronze coins it means bright and shiny just as they came from the mint. On silver coins, it means with little or no toning, perhaps the middle coins from a roll where the outer coins have toned.
Choice Uncirculated (Choice Unc) – A coin is Uncirculated if it has never been in circulation and is without wear. But due to the vagaries of how coins are struck, how the dies were made and how the coins were treated after striking, there are different grades of Uncirculated. Choice Uncirculated is better than a normal Uncirculated coin with far fewer bag marks and is well struck with full and uninterrupted lustre.
Gem Uncirculated (Gem Unc) – A grade of a coin struck for circulation. We consider this to be the highest grade that a coin can achieve. There must be full and outstanding lustre, an exceptional strike, no nicks and only the smallest bag marks discernible under a strong glass. This quality is harder to achieve in larger sized coins than in smaller sized ones. Fewer than 2% of all Uncirculated coins can be called Gem.
Mint State(MS) – As a grading term, it refers to the highest grading a coin can have. It is also referred to as FDC.
Fleur de Coin (FDC) – A French term which translates as `flower of the die' and means Uncirculated. This term was used far more when coins were either mint or used. Today we use the term to represent a full mint state coin in impeccable condition (perfect Uncirculated of at least choice quality). Used far more on the Continent than in Great Britain today.
Proof – In this country proof is a method of striking and not a condition. A proof coin is struck most carefully with polished dies and a polished flan. It will be struck more than once to get the high relief to show all the fine details. Sometimes you will get a lead piece with half of a coin, this is done to proof the die before striking.
Be careful about grading and until you learn how to grade yourself,
Ok message understood.........🫡
Some of the above grades are questionable. Specifically:
- the grades Fair and Very Good (VG) are interchangeable, and describe a coin that is very worn but where most of the legend is intact, and where the main designs are more than just outlines; in other words, the grade below Fine.
- About Unc is a coin that is About Unc - oh, please!!
- Choice Unc and Gem Unc are just terms used by dealers to enhance a description and make a coin seem more desirable
- BU and Mint State are the same thing
- FDC should only strictly be used of proofs
Otherwise useful.
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On 5/13/2025 at 2:26 PM, Citizen H said:
another 2 coins worth showing in a respectable condition....
George V Half Crown 1914
Victoria One Florin 1864 1st portrait (Gothic)
any ideas of the Grade these would be ?
The 1914 is AVF/GVF, the Gothic is GVF minimum, IMO.
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there's Greek on the ?reverse? - upper case Epsilon Omicron Sigma spelling EOS, the name of an Ancient Greek goddess.
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I agree - but the incuse dig by the 7 is almost certainly post-Mint damage.
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yes, it’s way too perfect not to be a repro
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On 5/3/2025 at 7:33 AM, VickySilver said:
Perhaps a matter of definition. IMHO if a coin is of uncirculated quality when struck and then pushed out of the mint in bag quantities and spent in significant numbers whilst most not receiving any special treatment or being cased individually or placed In sets (which was what happened) as was the case of these crowns, then they would fit the definition of "currency".
NOT ‘spent in significant numbers’! (see copper123’s post..). Also 1951 Crowns were struck to ‘prooflike’ quality.
But perhaps we should agree to differ on this?
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Farthings were 1) a lower priority due to being so small that people didn't study them too closely for die failures etc, 2) being so small, there was a greater proportion of protective rim, 3) (guess..) the dies didn't wear so quick?
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Are you talking about Britannia's leg? The pictures are pretty poor, but I can't see this as corrosion - depending upon whether it's incuse or raised (the jury's out...) then it's either a planchet flaw causing delamination, or perhaps something like grease finding its way onto the die.