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Peckris 2

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  1. 5 hours ago, Varietalis said:

    No, don't have that.  I see one was sold by LC (part lot 774, auction 157, 2017).  Same coin I wonder?

    Even if your lot number was correct, it wouldn't be the same coin - I've had mine for many years! I bought it as an ordinary 64 6d and noticed the missing character.


  2. 3 hours ago, Chris Perkins said:

    My pleasure. I've also updated some other stuff in the background so if this message gets through, that's also a good sign! I may also completely update the forum software to the newest version. I'm always nervous about that as it tends to change things that make little sense and can negatively affect some users who use a particular feature etc. In some cases it can also introduce new errors, but the last update was 4 years ago so it's probably due one. 

    I for one would be grateful if you didn't upgrade the software - I've not experienced any of the problems mentioned but I do use a very old version (the latest allowed for my OS ) of Firefox and I suspect that an upgrade may stop it working?

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  3. 19 hours ago, Menger said:

    In corporations, it is the shift to work policies and marketing focused on the same identity politics, as well as other leftward reorientations from climate emergency, to zero covid and the notion of a U.S./NATO/EU led world order. 

    So Biden’s support of Zelinsky is not “woke” - but if Pizza Hut were to produce a pizza in the colours of Ukrainian flag that would be “woke”. Biden’s focus on “equity” (celebrating group identity based on race and sexual orientation or, say, disabilities; and seeking to eradicate disparities in outcome between such groups) is however “woke”.

    I'm not sure I'm with you here, not at all. Clearly climate emergency, zero covid, US/NATO/EU 'world order' are not 'leftward' in any way shape or form. You'll have to explain that.

    And if Pizza Hut did produce a pizza in the colours of Ukrainian flag, how is that woke? It sounds much more like a commercial way of jumping on the bandwagon to create more sales.


  4. 19 hours ago, Menger said:

    Again, I think it is in the shift of the left from class politics to identity politics.  This applies to the Anglo-sphere generally, most acutely to the US but also the UK. Blue collar to white collar. Working class to upper middle class.

    This is why the parties of the left have become the parties of the big banks, corporations, professions (always teachers, but now also lawyers and doctors) and even big oil; whereas the right has become populist. Big business is now also “Blairite” (globalized but regulated economy) and has also embraced identity politics and middle class activism through ESG and diversity. 
     

    The shift to “woke” describes this shift of the left from class to identity politics and the parallel  shift of big business to the left. What was mere insufferable “political correctness”  on the left has in parallel mutated into the intolerant cancel culture and authoritarianism of “woke”. 

    Interesting analysis. I agree that the left have become 'Blairite', i.e. more representative of "big banks, corporations, professions (always teachers, but now also lawyers and doctors)", and that the right has become populist, if by that you mean 'Trumpite'.

    However that has little to do with 'cancel culture' which I believe is one of the many culture wars and therefore largely non-political. I'm mostly against it - fatuous and offensive positions should be exposed to view so they can be mocked, rather than cancelled. But I still am no wiser as to what 'woke' actually means.


  5. 17 hours ago, Menger said:

    The left (and much of the establishment) have long been “politically correct” but they only recently became “woke”. 

    I think you'd have to explain that? Keir Starmer's near silent endorsement of Brexit would seem to indicate something different. Labour are a very broad church (as the Tories used to be pre-Boris) but generally they are more or less Blairites in their political colour, which itself is to the right of 60s and 70s Labour.


  6. 1 hour ago, Diaconis said:

    No idea. I don’t claim to an innovater in the English language, I’m no Shakespeare,  but I think the question should be posed to you. Why do you believe that the word woke so succinctly sums up the essence of your definition?

    Please explain because I am honestly at a loss here? 

    If, as I suspect, theres no direct correlation and we’re just looking for a word to tag on to a theme then in answer to your request, I suggest decentrithorkusmogrificarbiturb, its just as absurd as using the past tense of wake IMO.

    I agree with you. I think 'woke' is simply a modern redefinition of 'political correctnesss'. PC did have a germ of truth in it, probably based in the rather abstract musings of psychologists and sociologists, but got exaggerated and blown out of all reality by the Murdoch press when they realised that it roused the ire of certain sectors of the population, which then sold more copies of their papers.


  7. 57 minutes ago, Taikonaut said:

    Sad to see the business go without anyone taking over. The Peter Nichols name is a lucrative one. When they took over the business from Peter I seem to recall it was a three way ownership, Geoff, Shirley and a young man probably a son who was into motor bikes? This now leaves Rob Davis as probably the sole professional coin cabinet maker in the UK.

    agreed - a sad day indeed.


  8. 16 hours ago, Menger said:

    This may be a difference in perspective. Iain McGilchrist looks at it in terms of left-brain and right-brain perspectives: from the one, things can appear more binary when stripped of the context and nuance that comes from the other.  This may be an inherent problem with top-down technocracies where certain narratives are treated as “fact”.  The dichotomy between the theories of the “experts” and the real life experiences of the people being analogous to the left and right brain. This then creates division between those that have faith in that narrative as “fact” and those that see a different perspective or a broader picture.  McGilchrist argues that a structural shortcoming of the left-brain is that is it is unable to perceive the nature of the right-brain. 

     

    See below...

     

    10 hours ago, Paddy said:

    ... and are you not also ignoring facts - as displayed in the Daily Mail - simply because of your bias against that paper?

     

    The specific fact you conveniently choose to ignore was my reply to your "Universities "cancelling" any speaker whose viewpoint is not up to date with woke culture smacks of extremism". Whether you agree with this or not (and in my own opinion it would depend on which speaker it was), I told you quite clearly that this was going on 50 years ago and quoted a specific example. THAT, my friend, is a FACT, not a bias.


  9. 14 hours ago, Paddy said:

    I think it is best we just agree to differ. Neither of us is likely to change our viewpoint substantially, so there is no point wasting blood pressure on the debate.

     

    I would agree to differ if it was just a matter of opinion, but you are ignoring facts.


  10. 13 hours ago, Paddy said:

    ... and as if by magic, this headline article today. I know from the Daily Mail, so there will be a good deal of bias in choosing to run this topic, but the basic facts are still extraordinary:

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    the Mail? I give it no credence whatever. There may be a grain of truth buried somewhere in there, but NHS Trusts who (voluntarily) listen to Stonewall or other such organisations wouldn't get very far with their patients. As for calling users 'clients', well excuse me but that's widespread everywhere now.


  11. 14 hours ago, Paddy said:

    I think it is the lengths some of the woke supporters go to suppress any view that does not concur with their own that I find most disturbing. Universities "cancelling" any speaker whose viewpoint is not up to date with woke culture smacks of extremism. The essence of a free democracy is freedom of speech, and that seems to be being undermined.

    Oh jesus, where the h*ll have you been the last 50 years? When I was at University in the early 70s, a proposed lecture by Eysenck was cancelled because so many students objected to his views. It's nothing new and you can attempt to repeat 'wokism' until you're blue in the face ballot box, but it doesn't mean anything.


  12. You see, the very use of the words "crusade" and "brigade" betrays your position, which is - if you'll excuse me - itself extreme. No-one has been able to successfully define what 'woke' actually means; it just seems to be a modern form of 'political correctnesss', which itself was largely a fabrication of the likes of the Mail.

    Being disabled, I use the NHS  a lot and I can assure you that "woman" and "mother" - despite the bleatings of the Mail - are still in use.

    As for the whole trans debate, yes there are many issues there which are far from resolved.


  13. 4 hours ago, Paddy said:

    Anything that undermines the resolve, strength and morale of your enemy is useful to your cause. If Russia decided to invade across Europe now, how many of our present population would actually volunteer to resist them? Compare that to the situation in the last 2 World wars.

    Putin is well aware that the British have been the most resolute in resisting tyranny in the past. By taking us out of the equation he makes his ambitions much easier to achieve.

    I don't dispute any of that, but what does it have to do with your crazy "extremes of wokery" phrase?


  14. On 8/25/2023 at 8:20 PM, Paddy said:

    Does anyone else think that the extremes of wokery that are undermining the Western world's entire ethos are also emanating from Russia? 

    It would be so easy for them to stoke the crazy ideas through social media and stand back to watch the ensuing chaos in glee.

     

    I've absolutely no idea what you mean by "extremes of wokery that are undermining the Western world's entire ethos"

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