1981 25p "Experimental Coin"

[1981 25p "Experimental Coin"]

Fascinating - though they must have known that it was to be the new 20p, introduced the following year.

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10 hours ago, DrLarry said:

could you post an image of the normal reverse for comparison ?

That was the new reverse from 2008 - quite different as you can see.

[Any garden pics this year?]

We must have had  a good soak last night as there was plenty of water in the pot saucers this morning. Having said that, today's 'thunder weather warning' never materialised.

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8 hours ago, Iannich48 said:

Nice pics Larry. The first could be a double struck E over R, the second pic I have no idea what is overstruck, the third looks like E over R, the fourth is basically identical to the first pic. Just my opinions.

If E over R what do you think about the protrusion showing above the E downstroke, which could not possibly be an R ?

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3 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

I know not everywhere got it, but for those who did, the heavy thundery rain of yesterday, will really have done the gardens good. They needed a drink - and there's more forecast for tomorrow in many areas.

Tonight there could be heavy rain in the SW - and overnight is the ideal time!

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On 6/17/2023 at 10:22 AM, DrLarry said:

 

I'd say quite possibly E over B ? The top picture quite clearly shows the lower loop curving left back towards the downstroke, which the R wouldn't do.

There's also something else going on above the E - something protruding above the top right hand side of the downstroke, and something to the right of the top serif which could in no way form part of an R

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On 6/17/2023 at 3:29 PM, Iannich48 said:

The English pennies website has a note about Note 18. 

Could you add a note about the note about Note 18 please?

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9 hours ago, Mr T said:

Ah yes, just the one obverse for the wreath sixpence in 1887 which I guess will be I of BRITT to gap.

Indeed - though there are several scarce varieties, e.g. initials on truncation, and overstamped letters in VICTORIA, which mine isn't.

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I'd say proofs in a cabinet are fine. They might tone (or not) but would remain FDC.

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11 hours ago, Mr T said:

Ah thanks - and which obverse is it?

Just the bog standard one as far as I can tell, nothing to see!

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2 hours ago, Sword said:

I don't think there is any conflict of interest TBH. The royal mint is obliged to supply the public with circulating coins which they do. Their other interest is just to make as much money as possible. I don't imagine they would care where that money comes from.

There should be a separate branch of the Mint which is TOTALLY divorced from the production side.

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2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

Just bought a couple of upgrades from Asprey Coins, based in Havant. In doing so, I had a good long chat with the owner, Mark Horton, on Monday Evening. Easy to talk to and a real coin enthusiast. Anyway, we got round to talking about varieties, and he drew my attention to something - possibly a mini variety - which I've never come across before. Namely slight differences in the E of PENNY in 1900 pennies. Mark had observed that the lower bar of E in penny was straight in some examples, and slightly curved in others. I checked mine, which was curved.

Mark sent me an e mail with some illustrative pics. They're a bit big to use on here, so instead I started looking at 1900 penny examples on e bay, and outsorted a couple of examples.

Straight lower bar of E in PENNY

Slightly curved lower bar of E in PENNY 

I'd want to see an UNC example of the straight bar to be absolutely sure - the curve might have been flattened out by wear.

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14 hours ago, Sword said:

But in my view, they have already sink low enough trying to sell past coins for totally ridiculous prices. This made me laugh: https://www.royalmint.com/shop/monarch/queen-elizabeth-ii/1953-Elizabeth-II-Commemorative-Crown/

OMG, that's utterly shameless. I could barely give them away as a dealer 25 years ago. They, along with Churchills and 1977 crowns, were the coins you dreaded people trying to sell you. I couldn't really offer any more than face value, or a little bit more.

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Very reminiscent of 5/3 on 1865 bronze. If it's not, then it would fool everyone.

[Coins for Art]

If you look closely, the coin is only actually used for the hair.

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7 hours ago, Kipster said:

That's the NGC premium for you 

What makes it worse is that it's a UK seller.

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As you can see, the rest of the reverse is standard - pretty much what you'd expect. It was the date that drew my attention to it when I first saw it on sale (by a dealer who was just selling it as a bog standard 1887 JH).

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59 minutes ago, Nonmortuus said:

Another potential 1817 variety. 

E/E/R in DEF

My example below and a member of @AJWcoins facebook group example to follow.

 

 

The E over E is of very little interest, repunched legend characters being so common. However the underlying R (or is it a B?) really does make it a very interesting variety. Is it in Davies or is it a new discovery?

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20 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

It's great that renewables are now reducing our reliance on fossil fuels, but by deliberately cutting back on fossil fuels at this stage, we risk a Winter crisis at some point, especially if the wind stops, as it very well might depending on the weather conditions. Moreover, some time will be needed for any (new) nuclear power stations to come on line.

I'll let you argue with the unions over new job opportunities. It's them that's raised it, and they bankroll the Labour Party to a greater or lesser extent. So Starmer really doesn't want to get on their wrong side before he's even in power.

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By the way here's a question for you from @oldcopper whose posts I know you once said were invisible to you. If you want to reply through me, I'll make sure he sees it.

I doubt we will face a winter crisis, at least not compared to the miners' strike that brought down the Heath government in '73, with a 3-day week,  no TV after 10:30 pm - which was at a time when we were nearly fully dependant on coal. Now, 50 years later, the wind will keep blowing, and the turbines will turn.

The unions can be very stroppy when it comes to jobs. If they can't see the winds of change (pun intended), then more fool them. Anyway, Labour isn't as reliant on the unions as they once were, a legacy of Blair and New Labour.

I can see quoted posts of course, but quoting your post doesn't include the post you quoted! However, as far as emitters like India and China are concerned, I wouldn't say "free pass"; when it came to trying to get agreement, the West had three choices:

1. Get everyone to agree to a minimum level of reduction (which would not happen)

2. Abandon the whole business through lack of agreement by certain countries

3. Reluctantly accept a certain level of compromise as being 'better than nothing', which is what we had to settle for in the end.

We don't know what China is up to, they are an industrialised authoritarian Communist economy who keep their cards close to their chest. Maybe they will come to see the danger posed by climate change. Let's hope so. What's more important is that America under a Democrat president and Congress are making great progress and reduction of CO2 - that really does make a difference. As far as Britain is concerned, we do still have some influence in the world. If - I should say 'when' - we achieve carbon neutrality there are nations that will take notice even if our contribution amounts to the proverbial teaspoon (actually it is more that that, though not a huge difference on its own).

 

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6 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

Got to laugh. Keir Starmer has upset the unions (GMB & Unite) with his messianic zeal over not granting any more oil and gas exploration licences if Labour get in next year.

They are unhappy about the effects on their member's jobs and financial security. 

As I've said before, yes, a transition to net zero would be a fantastic long term aspiration. 2030 is absolutely impossible to achieve, 2045 maybe. In the meantime we also need oil and gas both to ensure our own security and as a possible export to Europe. 

No - Labour's position is very clear: all existing exploration (plus any licences issued before Labour come to power, if such comes about) will continue / be honoured. What they've said is that there will be no new licences issued which - even if there was no climate change prevailing - makes perfect sense given the sharp decline in North Sea oil and gas stocks.

However, there will plenty of jobs created by a switch to alternatives, of which offshore wind looks the best bet. There was a news item in the past month that shows our reliance on non fossil sources of energy went over 50% for the first time, from a base line of about 10% earlier this century.

Everyone is AIMING for 2030 which is laudable, but let's not get our knicks.i.a.t. if the target is missed. The important thing is that an effort is being made.

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9 hours ago, Rob said:

The mindset of Russians beggars belief. One woman from Shebekino, upset at the recent border incursion that brought violence and destruction her town, bemoaned the fact that it was unfair. Apparently, 'All we wanted was to destroy Ukraine in peace'. Words fail me.

Media brainwashing.

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14 hours ago, Master Jmd said:

It was a PSA 10 copy of a 397/SM-P Extra Battle Day Lillie. Back when I was contemplating buying a copy at $400 it was only believed that a maximum of 100 existed, but now it's generally believed there were probably more than 1,000 distributed, which makes the sale even more absurd.

Every day was a Battle Day for Lillie (older members may understand this... )

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1 hour ago, 1949threepence said:

We haven't really had many properly warm days yet (although of course, when we're not plagued by North Sea Cloud), the Sun is very hot.

We're on the cold side of a stubborn anticyclone centred to the North West and dragging in air from the North East. Clear nights are going to feel especially nippy at the moment because the humidity is very low 

 

I think these warm sunny days with a cooling breeze are absolutely wonderful. God help us when the really hot weather arrives, as per last summer.

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Interesting read ... but the absurd rise in plastic coffin UK coin prices has got to come down sooner or later. Perhaps the same will be true of Pokemon?

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