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7 hours ago, Citizen H said:Victoria Six pence...1893,
if correct.....apparently only had a Mintage of 1 300 of this date... Awesome!
Actually, it’s the Jubilee Head issue for 1893 that's very rare - the Old Head which you have is the normal (not rare) issue.
But the 1821 is a very nice example.
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I'd say GVF at least, but as said, the tone is offputting. I'm not sure I'd want it in my collection, even if the price was right.
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On 5/27/2025 at 9:59 AM, terrysoldpennies said:Maybe that's why they changed from the F174 with It's uneven pressing between the two sides to the F177. They were trying to eliminate the ghosting at this time , and its possibly premature ware affecting the reverse side on early types caused by the week low rim that brought about the change. ?
Yes - the Edward obverse was flatter and didn't cause ghosting to the same extent; but the savage ghosting on 1911 and 1912 reverses must have caused them to redesign.
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I've bought silver that was so shiny that some dealers avoided it like the plague. However, I have a nearly infallible way to tell : if the shine is in the fields and between the legend, but not on the design or legend, then I judge it’s natural; it would be virtually impossible to clean only the parts that exclude all the raised elements. As to how they survive in that condition, I wouldn't like to speculate.
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1 hour ago, The Bee said:Many thanks again Richard for confirming it was ja and if the photos are helpful, please do use them. It came with what I believe is an 1875 Gouby Lk (so normal penny variety for 1875) in the same condition.
Very Best Regards
It’s very definitely Reverse ja, else it would be Reverse nein.
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Have you tried the Unconfirmed Varieties forum?
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I'd be interested in the scarce non-Maundy early Vic examples, also W IV, G IV, G III.
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On 5/15/2025 at 11:33 AM, Citizen H said:I'm now looking into the actual grade of my coins as a few of my recent shown coins are really in quite good condition (apart from the Hammered Coins). I found with the 3 pence I had 6 of the same date, I was able to compare all and reject the obvious and work down to the best example of the lot, what I recently read.......a opinion of others can be a useful leveller, I believed that Fine would have been a near perfect coin........
Coin Grading UK
Going from the lowest grade to the highest the coin grading system in the UK is as follows:
Poor (P) – extremely worn and most of the details will be missing but you will still be able to identify the coin as to type.
Fair (FR) – A grade where the coin has seen much wear and it is only just discernible what the coin is. Collectors usually stay away from this grade unless the coin or note is especially rare or expensive.
Good (G) – A grade which denotes a considerable amount of wear. The coin is discernible but the lettering may not be clearly visible.
Very Good (VG) – A grade where the coin has experienced a lot of wear and where the details are still discernible but worn.
Fine (F) – A grade when the coin or note has seen considerable wear but is still very collectable. Many collectors like a used coin because they feel that it has actually been somewhere. Collectors on a budget also like this grade.
Very Fine (VF) – A grade of coin where there has been obvious but relatively restricted wear on the highest portions of the coin.
Extremely Fine (EF) – A grade where there is little actual wear except on the high points. On copper and bronze, original lustre might well still be in evidence. A most appealing and attractive grade, much undervalued by the marketplace in its seeking of the ultimate perfection.
About Uncirculated (AU) – A grade which is designated as About Uncirculated.
Uncirculated (Unc) – A grade which indicates that a coin has never been released into circulation. Although a coin may be less than perfect when struck, with scratches and nicks, that does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. Over the years a coin may tone or a copper coin may change from bright to dark, again this does not mean that it is not Uncirculated. The term literally means a coin which has not seen circulation
Brilliant Uncirculated (Brilliant Unc) – On copper and bronze coins it means bright and shiny just as they came from the mint. On silver coins, it means with little or no toning, perhaps the middle coins from a roll where the outer coins have toned.
Choice Uncirculated (Choice Unc) – A coin is Uncirculated if it has never been in circulation and is without wear. But due to the vagaries of how coins are struck, how the dies were made and how the coins were treated after striking, there are different grades of Uncirculated. Choice Uncirculated is better than a normal Uncirculated coin with far fewer bag marks and is well struck with full and uninterrupted lustre.
Gem Uncirculated (Gem Unc) – A grade of a coin struck for circulation. We consider this to be the highest grade that a coin can achieve. There must be full and outstanding lustre, an exceptional strike, no nicks and only the smallest bag marks discernible under a strong glass. This quality is harder to achieve in larger sized coins than in smaller sized ones. Fewer than 2% of all Uncirculated coins can be called Gem.
Mint State(MS) – As a grading term, it refers to the highest grading a coin can have. It is also referred to as FDC.
Fleur de Coin (FDC) – A French term which translates as `flower of the die' and means Uncirculated. This term was used far more when coins were either mint or used. Today we use the term to represent a full mint state coin in impeccable condition (perfect Uncirculated of at least choice quality). Used far more on the Continent than in Great Britain today.
Proof – In this country proof is a method of striking and not a condition. A proof coin is struck most carefully with polished dies and a polished flan. It will be struck more than once to get the high relief to show all the fine details. Sometimes you will get a lead piece with half of a coin, this is done to proof the die before striking.
Be careful about grading and until you learn how to grade yourself,
Ok message understood.........🫡
Some of the above grades are questionable. Specifically:
- the grades Fair and Very Good (VG) are interchangeable, and describe a coin that is very worn but where most of the legend is intact, and where the main designs are more than just outlines; in other words, the grade below Fine.
- About Unc is a coin that is About Unc - oh, please!!
- Choice Unc and Gem Unc are just terms used by dealers to enhance a description and make a coin seem more desirable
- BU and Mint State are the same thing
- FDC should only strictly be used of proofs
Otherwise useful.
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On 5/13/2025 at 2:26 PM, Citizen H said:another 2 coins worth showing in a respectable condition....
George V Half Crown 1914
Victoria One Florin 1864 1st portrait (Gothic)
any ideas of the Grade these would be ?
The 1914 is AVF/GVF, the Gothic is GVF minimum, IMO.
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there's Greek on the ?reverse? - upper case Epsilon Omicron Sigma spelling EOS, the name of an Ancient Greek goddess.
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I agree - but the incuse dig by the 7 is almost certainly post-Mint damage.
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yes, it’s way too perfect not to be a repro
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On 5/3/2025 at 7:33 AM, VickySilver said:Perhaps a matter of definition. IMHO if a coin is of uncirculated quality when struck and then pushed out of the mint in bag quantities and spent in significant numbers whilst most not receiving any special treatment or being cased individually or placed In sets (which was what happened) as was the case of these crowns, then they would fit the definition of "currency".
NOT ‘spent in significant numbers’! (see copper123’s post..). Also 1951 Crowns were struck to ‘prooflike’ quality.
But perhaps we should agree to differ on this?
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Farthings were 1) a lower priority due to being so small that people didn't study them too closely for die failures etc, 2) being so small, there was a greater proportion of protective rim, 3) (guess..) the dies didn't wear so quick?
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I'd say more likely post-mint where someone has either whacked the coin or put it in a vice-like device which i s why you can still see a trace of the original design.
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On 4/28/2025 at 2:11 PM, copper123 said:The odd few did circulate esp in the war years remember many people finances were turned upside down.
Many of those that circulated have been melted down now as they were seen as useless as no-one wanted them in the fifties and sixties , not collectors anyway
On 4/30/2025 at 1:50 AM, VickySilver said:This. They were struck in large numbers in non-proof uncirculated (ie currency) pieces regardless of them being commemorative issues & as we know many commems find their way into business "currency" channels.
Regardless of whether some found their way into circulation, they weren't struck as currency IMO.
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13 hours ago, ozjohn said:An NGC MS 65 and PCGS MS 64 for comparison and my best 1920 ungraded florin. If I was given the choice of the PG coins I think the MS 64 is the better coin on the photographs and my one ain't too bad either. I'll be interested to see how much these two coins sell for.
I think I'd concur about the MS64 - though it is slightly hard to tell from small pictures. (Perhaps next time you could just screenshot the coin without the surrounding stuff?)
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On 4/26/2025 at 6:22 PM, copper123 said:
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On 4/26/2025 at 4:11 PM, VickySilver said:PS - really superb currency George VI crowns are hard to come by as I believe the planchets were not well cared for and there are nearly always bag marks, including in key areas. Same is generally true of the George V 1935 Jubilee crown issues.
AFAIK there aren’t any currency crowns? The 1937 and 1951 were both commemoratives, not for circulation.
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20 hours ago, Nuk said:Hi - I'm new to this group.
I bought the 7 silver 1887 jubilee head coins some years ago - Over time these have developed an equal toning.
Four of these are graded EF but the other 3, unfortunately, are only graded as VF.
My question is:
Do I buy 3 EF coins to make them all the same grade or would doing this devalue the set as the toning wont be the same
Thanks in advance.
Do you have pictures? Sometimes grading is notoriously fickle, and if these coins formed a set, one might expect them to be in similar condition.
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13 hours ago, Sylvester said:That's brill!
Wish it was mine!
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A nice enough example - some collectors are a lot less bothered about rim holes than others. I have an UNC 1826 halfcrown with graining weaknesses at 12 and 6 o’clock indicating it might have been held in a brooch or something similar. It’s never bothered me in the slightest.
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7 hours ago, Rob said:I think the only definitely attributable coins to Edward V are the angels. TWW made a good case for this.
I'm puzzled about this. Edward V was never crowned king, and during his brief spell as monarch Richard III would have controlled the Mint. After Bosworth it would have been moot anyway.
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6 hours ago, Citizen H said:
It’s not that far off VF imo. Obviously such coins look more worn when enlarged, so in hand it probably looks very nice.
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