Peckris 2
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What is the American MS64 - our GVF?
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No tears, but sadly the RM has already inherited their mantle.
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Yes, it's a toy 3d (Victoria JH) made by Lauer one of the pre-eminent companies of such things - German?
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6 hours ago, Romix said:
Same condition, same years, different edge as pictured.
I don't know WHAT years! Nor can I see the condition. Why don't you post pictures of YOUR coins?
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Ah, I thought these were YOUR coins.
Perhaps you could post pictures of your coins? In other words, the reverse (to see the condition), and the edge. For now, I stand by my opinion that the 3 coins in that picture have general wear, but the other one doesn't.
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16 hours ago, Chris Perkins said:
I think probably the opposite. People not using actual cash means they are exposed to less of it, or even none of it. So casual collectors who keep the odd shiny coin and perhaps get into coins that way will be far fewer. There will probably always be people who deliberately spend cash in order to get change to check and collect from but I wonder if the younger generation growing up now who have only ever paid electronically are a lot less likely to become coin collectors of any kind.
Good points, but on the other hand there are still stamp, postcard, audio cassette, model car, etc, collectors. I think there are many areas of collecting where the object itself is long out of fashion, yet the 'collecting gene' needs to be fulfilled.
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I would grade as GEF with lustre. Some might say AUnc, and I wouldn't quarrel too much with that, there's virtually no trace of wear.
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Hi, Welcome to the forums
It would help a lot if we knew the dates of those coins. My own thoughts are
1) the "different" coin may be a high grade compared to the other 3, whose edges look pretty worn.
2) it's even possible that the different coin is a proof (is it dated 1937?), whose edges are sharp and crisp and even (I sound like good king Wenceslas
) compared to currency coins.
Picture of the reverse of all 4 coins would be helpful.
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So the A4 blue binder first edition (1860-1970) is not scarce or collectable?
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Wow, I never knew Ever Ready made whisky! Alkaline alcohol?
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5 hours ago, copper123 said:
I would be very surprised if he does not have his eye on repealing the law that says you cannot be presedent more than twice
That presumably couldn't be enacted via Executive Order ... for obvious reasons!
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Ah, you're cultivating the orchid Fostersii Forexiae?
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10 hours ago, RChris said:
If you have the time I'd appreciate being educated on this. Never too old to learn from others. Can we private message on this forum?
Yes, it's the little envelope icon at the top, next to Notifications.
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Yes, that's an attractive halfpenny, and a unique type (the first regal halfpenny since 1775, as there wasn't a cartwheel halfpenny in 1797 sadly; then there was a gap until 1806 when a new smaller design was issued). I've always liked that single year type too.
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1 hour ago, Rob said:
In the past 20 years, I estimate that I have consigned somewhere near a ton of bronze to be melted of all denominations. Why? Because nobody wanted them, so you melt to free up cash. The odd rare piece will have gone through undetected, but the vast majority will have been worth scrap value. I am not alone in having done this. This will increase the relative abundance of the rarities over time.
I know I've said it before, but the ratio of rare to common specimens has narrowed steadily since decimalisation, but the value guides don't really reflect this. The rarities are still rare but the common dates have become scarcer over such a long time.
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3 hours ago, copper123 said:
oh matron !
Its the same size as the Moore gothic crowns
What I mean is - if it's the same smaller size as other toy coins, then it wouldn't have been the Mint at the Great Exh. but probably Moore (presumably Heatons didn't strike toy coins?)
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20 hours ago, copper123 said:
It might be interesting to get a list of exibitors from the great exhibition , to be honest i cannot see the royal mint being there but the heaton mint or moore could have been .
I am asuming the new model crown came after the much more common gothic example produced in 1848 or a little later
What size is it?
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That would place it around the time of the Great Exhibition of 1851. Fascinating to speculate it may have been struck there to demonstrate minting machinery, just as the 1951 crown was struck at the Festival of Britain.
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The 1900 is the best grade - edging towards EF.
The 1891 is at least F but perhaps a bit better
The 1853 has too little hair detail to rate F but getting there
The others are scrap I'm afraid
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6 hours ago, Avocet said:
I can quite see how a snappy descriptor, coupled with just the right level of scarcity, adds a touch of glamour to a particular coin and helps to make it more sought after - whether the V word is carelessly applied or not.
Against the dot pennies, the poor old "1915 extra bar penny" doesn't stand much a chance, despite its origins and scarcity being broadly similar (IMO).
It may or may not attract enough interest to eventually be classed as a variety. Do some research, write an article, and who knows? Gouby listed the 1946 ONE' and claimed it was scarcer than the 1926ME. I used his note in my ultimately successful effort to get Spink to include it in the Standard Catalogue, which would have increased collector interest several times over.
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18 hours ago, secret santa said:
In my humble opinion, varieties are created by the design process, i.e. the decision to strike a coin from a selected pair of obverse and reverse designs. Any anomalies created by the minting (or striking) process are exactly that - anomalies, collectibility of which is in the eye of the beholder. The confusion was probably started by Freeman's decision to grant a variety number to the 1897 Dot penny. As I say, just my opinion. And the debate will probably go on forever. On my websites, I refer to variations to a particular "variety", such as variation in the date spacing, as a "sub-variety" whereas Gouby assigns specific identifiers.
You pays your money......................
I agree with all that. However I'd lay the blame not with Freeman but with Coin Monthly! I started collecting as a schoolboy in the late 60s and the very first issue I bought had a Beginners Page featuring (did they call them "varieties"? Can't remember..) three pennies, two of which have been mentioned here: the 1897 O.NE and the 1946 ONE' - plus a Vic copper penny though I don't recall which date or where the extra dot was.
I think that as a result of that notoriety, those particular anomalies became accepted as varieties.
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10 hours ago, Avocet said:
I'm not sure I understand. Is anyone suggesting that features like those on the 1915 pennies pictured above were not created during the minting process?
If we do call such things varieties (not an issue I was attempting to address) how does that give the green light to the sort of nefarious activity you are describing?
What is, and is not, a variety is something of a 'grey area'. Decades ago, 1961 halfcrowns without the engraver initials EF on the reverse were considered to be a variety. However as soon as it became clear that it was the result of a filled die, it disappeared from the list of varieties overnight. Only very rarely are such things classed as varieties, the exceptions being things like the 1946 ONE' penny. They are accidents of the minting process rather than design changes and therefore only collected by a small group of people.
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4 hours ago, Sword said:
Why don't you do that and find out as it is a cheap option? The cameras of the new phones are constantly getting better and you could very well be happy with the results.
I have an iPhone 15 Pro Max and it's now my main camera.
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3 hours ago, blakeyboy said:
I've just formed an end-of-season football harmony group, called Manhattan Transfer Window.
You're welcome.
Were they the band that had a big hit with Carabao D'Amour?
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MS64 😳
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The 1887 shilling is arguably the most common Victorian coin, even in high grade - the sixpence is also very common but at least you have two types to collect.