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Posts posted by oldcopper

  1. 21 hours ago, copper123 said:

    House prices have risen nearly 30% in my area in the last year allbeit from a low base.According to zoopla anyway.

    My god this thread would be at home in the daily Mail

    Just quickly, sorry, this is off the thread of coin cabinets. 

    Everything else can go to rack and ruin just so long as house prices keep going up...seems to be the last twenty years plus of government strategy.

    I think there are two factors - first all these people who used to commute to London want a place in the country now, so they can Zoom everything and maybe pop into the office only now and again. And secondly, where has all that excess money the government has been printing and borrowing gone? - into asset prices (including coins) and the stock market so far, not yet that much into consumables, though oil's going up.

    So government inflation CRP and asset inflation would appear to be two different things. And if inflation really rears its ugly head with all this excess money now slushing around, how much are the government going to keep interest rates pegged down to protect the housing market, in the process destroying the value of people's savings?

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  2. 7 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

    Why We Don't Wear White Gloves When Handling Rare Coins | Baldwins Coins - YouTube

    Something a bit different and people have opinions about , after reading  posts on here over the years.



    Yes, I saw it the other day - though of course being dealers they are less fussed about long-term degradation of coins via surface contamination (the coins have long ago been sold by the time that would have an effect), but granted, edge knocks are an immediate effect for anyone! Provided the trays are wide enough that they can fully get their fingers around the edges of the coin before picking it up, that's pretty important. otherwise it's almost unavoidable for fingers to intrude over the rim.

    I did raise my eyebrows when they mentioned that wisps of cotton fabric from cotton gloves could cause hairlines. I can't ever see how that could happen!

    Also it depends on the metal - lustrous copper or bronze need a lot more care in handling than say, toned silver or gold.

  3. 8 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

    Yes, I seem to recall that such a specimen was posted on here some time ago. In fact, it looked for all the world as though it had 30 years wear, rather than the maximum just less than 10.     

    Perhaps it was what they like to call a "pocket piece". So maybe not circulated.

  4. 10 hours ago, secret santa said:

    I've never seen a specimen well worn through circulation as per every other date so that must mean something ? Although, if the bronze coins were issued soon after, maybe they wouldn't have circulated for very long anyway.

    So, actually, I've added nothing of value to the debate.

    There have been a couple of pretty ropey ones put through SNC over the decades. I can definitely remember one in fine or worse. Perhaps it should have marketed as - "almost unknown in this state of preservation". I'll look it up.

    I can't imagine they weren't initially produced for circulation (though what we see today must have mainly been put aside as Rob says) as they are a rather substandard issue - askew die axis, bad die clashing seen on all specimens, degraded lettering (more apparent on some than others), the partially blocked date and flatness of Britannia's breast on many. Also, the only instance in the copper or bronze series where two numbers in the date are overstruck rather than the more prevalent one (OK, for the pedants - excepting the 43 or 41(?)/39 proof halfpennies). So all very makeshift.

    Due to the massive bronze production of the early 1860's, most copper would have been exchanged or put aside by 1864 I would guess.


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  5. I heard a good joke on Classic FM a few years back. Yes I know, an unlikely source:

    Two friends, an Englishman and a Frenchman both own cats. The Englishman's is call "One Two Three" and the Frenchman's "Un Deux Trois".

    One day, they decide to race their cats against each other over the English Channel - One Two Three starting from Dover, Un Deux Trois from Calais. Whoever's cat gets across the channel first wins.

    Come the big day, both cats set off, a few hours later One Two Three reached France, but even by the next day there's no sign of Un Deux Trois.

    The Englishman phones up his friend to find out what happened.

    Well, Un Deux Trois cat sank.....

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  6. 17 hours ago, Diaconis said:

    Interesting chat about slabbing


    I saw this the other day - well done and appreciate them doing it, but as usual the  key drawback  of slabs (to me) is not mentioned - it's not so much whether you can handle the coin in question, but that you can't enjoy the coin in directly reflected light. So it's much harder to appreciate the brilliance or beautiful multi-coloured toning, say, of an old proof, as you're mostly seeing the light reflection off the plastic which drowns much of that out. 

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  7. I noticed DNW or the seller didn't bother much with putting the coins the right way up or even in their right pockets. But they did show the empty boxes which must be a first.

    Still, it obviously worked as each set went for about £200 each - and they're both missing the crown's ribbon shock horror. Strangely, the owner must have had a problem with these.


  8. 12 minutes ago, Mr T said:

    Ah that would explain it.

    The archive link on their website leads nowhere to I see. Was it a .pdf in more recent times?

    Never heard of that to be honest - like their search a coin archive from the sound of it, you key in any general info about a type of coin and it comes up with "No lots found". Complete waste of time.

  9. 20 minutes ago, Mr T said:

    Is it still published? And is it anywhere on the Spink website? Google gives me a couple of hints, both of which are dead links.

    SNC's final issue staggered out at the start of 2014, and it had been getting more infrequent in the couple of years before that. It used to be 6 a year (and every month long ago). The bloke in charge unfortunately had a serious car accident at the time which was the final blow.

    It's not on Spink's website. 

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  10. 15 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    Very pleased to obtain one of the last pieces of the jigsaw in the Victorian copper penny series I've been collecting for the last year. It's an 1843 DFF Bramah 3b type, in perhaps near VF. Private buy agreed with Ian a day or two ago, and just received today. Despite a careful lookout and a daily dedicated search of e bay 1843's since last April, I haven't previously seen one. Nor any at auction. Over the last 17 years, 4 have been sold at LCA, in 2013, 2014, 2016 and 2018, but they were all of very low grade, sub fine. 

    This specific variety is a rarity within a rarity, as 1843 is scarce to begin with. If I'd spurned this opportunity I might have been waiting a long time for another. So many thanks to Ian.

    DFF 1843 REV-crop.jpg

    DFF 1843 OBV-crop.jpg

    I take it this die got re-used in 1844. Presumably you've got one of those.

  11. 17 hours ago, Rob said:

    It's interesting because the flat areas are at the same point both sides which would tend to eliminate blocked dies from wear and tear, unless from grease. It's quite a big area with weakness showing from the trident to the rim and the front of the bust to the rim.

    The 1799 and 1806 copper are known for occasional flat areas in the legends, Peck mentions it. He says the currency proofs don't suffer from it so it must be a facet of production "en masse".

  12. 2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    Do you mean this one Pete? It certainly has a bit within the loop.

     If so, it doubles with the Bramah 25c 8 over ?.

    MG himself still seems very doubtful that the 8/3 exists, whereas with Royal Mint 1970 endorsement and MG's subsequent Numismatic Circular conclusions, I think we can be confident that the 8/2 is a fact in being. 


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