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  1. I am guessing it is out of copyright now so someone has scanned it. I prefer it as a pdf (call me new-school!) because you can search for any text string. Good point about the photos if they are all in the back. Well I guess a copy of Pecks will have to go on my shopping list!

  2. Thanks again Rob. You said " if looking at Peck for example" - I have no idea what or who Peck is, sorry. You will wish you had never replied ;-)

    I quite agree these books were written a long time ago and the rarities given may not be accurate, but as you say, they are a useful starting point.

    So to recap, in order of increasing scarcity, we have:

    Scarce - R - RR - RRR 

  3. I downloaded a free copy of PROVINCIAL TOKEN-COINAGE OF THE 18th CENTURY ILLUSTRATED BY R. DALTON & S. H. HAMER 1910. In it the authors describe coins as R, RR and RRR, I think it is a scale of rarity but cannot see a definition in the book. Rare, Really Rare, Really Really Rare? TIA, Pete

  4. 11 minutes ago, zookeeperz said:

    Yes but surely I should know before I purchase what the cost is and not find out once i have paid?

    I agree but even on Amazon.co.uk you see items for sale where the VAT status of the seller is not evident. If it is important to you, you need to ask the seller before buying. 

  5. 10 minutes ago, zookeeperz said:

    I tell you who flouting the law these gaming companies with electronic sales Now I am not sure how the law stands but I am pretty sure you have to state vat inc or exc on sales. The gaming companies for example say I want to buy 150 gold for a game will have a price list. 150 gold @$2.99 So you would expect to be charged roughly £2.50. But they charge £3.10. I don't know who does their conversion rate but he needs sacking. No mention of this sale is exc of vat. I think that is breaking the law ?

    I think it depends on the sellers location. There are special rules applied to overseas sales. If it is a major gaming company they will not be breaking the law, but will be using loopholes to minimise their costs!

  6. 27 minutes ago, zookeeperz said:

    Polite way of saying its a fake lol. especially if you know something was only ever struck in one metal type I.E Silver :) . But if an auctioneer were to call it such he would have less chance of selling it . Been on the other end of that white metal description for a russian rouble . No mention of base metal. £350 arrived and it was magnetic. Did the auctioneer know this? You bet your life he did and this was from an online auctioneers through salerooms. With an est of £40-£60 . He put the price to tempt bids. refused to refund the money. never again . lol

    Wow! I am glad I asked. I was very tempted by this (I have an interest in the period): http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=332410666481

    So its a modern copy? Should this be reported?

  7. 19 minutes ago, Rob said:

    I think it is more likely to be struck as a result of the changes in legislation in 1844 or 1856 which allowed companies to be incorporated other than by Royal Charter in the first case, or with limited liability in the second. These were major changes in the legal structures of a typical business, which introduced the concept of limited liability and so led to an expansion of business. To issue a token highlighting the new status of a company would be perfectly normal, and no different to a shop giving out branded advertising. Joint Stock Companies were set up country wide.

    Wiki is helpful here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Stock_Companies_Act_1844

    The strange thing is that there is no sign of a company name. It is generic as far as I can tell (the edge is blank). So it wouldn't advertise a company very well. But I agree this is a plausible explanation! Thanks for the link Rob, I will take a read.

  8. I bought a British token on eBay that turned out to be a recent copy. I opened a "not as described case" and won. So if you felt brave enough, for a repeat offender you could order one for a pittance then open a dispute and leave appropriate feedback. You would need pretty good evidence, so it would be a bit risky!

  9. 21 minutes ago, davetmoneyer said:

    Just joined the group.

    Hi My facebook page GRUNAL MONETA has a series of high resolution images of every sub-class of Edward I and II along with identification notes and extreme close ups of letters crowns etc  https://www.facebook.com/Grunal-Moneta-654941368041899/photos/?ref=page_internal they are all found in the Albums section to get the full unfo just click on the photo

    Hi Dave, welcome to the Group, thanks for the help and for this link. All the best, Pete

  10. Update: I emailed  Dave at www.grunal.com asking is this was one of his coins and he sent a very helpful and informative reply. He has given me permission to repeat what he said here. 

    "Hi, yes for that one for a re-enactment group about 12 years ago. My coins are all identified by the mintname TANVATS or moneyers name GRVNAL. Commissions for Reenactment societies are usually customised with the groups name in place of the mint signature. For example a die set produced for the Woodville Household has the reverse legend VILLA WOODVILLE.

    It is very important for new collectors to invest in numerous books on coins such as Spinks Coinage of England, JJ North English Hammered Coinage and the Galata Guides all of which give the readings for the official mints. Any thing not to be found in these books should be regarded as suspect".
    I then asked what the reverse text said and he replied: "The Reverse reads COMP. OF CHIVALRY (re-enactment group) probably struck in pewter feel free to forward my responses". Which was good to know since trying to decipher it had been driving me nuts!
    A really nice guy who went out of his way to answer my questions and even offered advice on resources that would be helpful when identifying hammered coins, including info on  Galata guides and BNJ and Spinks Numismatic Circular journals etc.
    I hope this information might help others.
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