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the pennies of 1922 and 1926

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Yes, the latter it was speculated was struck in different gold alloys to test the new Egyptian gold to be struck by the Royal Mint. What I thought interesting is that there would be so many bits shipped off to Pretoria, and in many cases NONE necessarily retained by the mother mint (e.g. the 1922/24 proof sets).

Well, I confess to border teeth length and thumb length changes still don't impress me as major changes the way say Old Effigy vs. Mod Effigy would be.

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I found a second 1922 "Dot" in my circulated coin box. pics below. I tested it with a standard 1922...both have the same ring, and both are 9.5g in weight.

Just found one in a box! Love it. That's some box you have there, Bob.... :)

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I found a second 1922 "Dot" in my circulated coin box. pics below. I tested it with a standard 1922...both have the same ring, and both are 9.5g in weight.

Just found one in a box! Love it. That's some box you have there, Bob.... :)

I guess that was a little confusing the way I stated it..."circulated coin box!" Actually it was in a holder, and cataloged in a coin storage box! Ha,Ha! I did not remember having a second 1922 of that type, at the time however. :) Does anyone want to buy one!.....

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for face?

:) ..........

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Just imagine, that would be 0.4 pence! Postage maybe 10,000 times that!

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Regarding the 1926 with "pattern" reverse. It seems to be a hybrid of Freeman reverses B and C. It has the slightly larger figure of Britannia as on reverse B but has the border teeth of reverse C which are slightly longer and fewer in number (184 as opposed to 187 on reverse C. I assume that it's an interim stage of development of reverse C. It was sold at London Coin Auction in March 2009 as part of the Roland Harris collection (as a 1926 M.E.) and was previously part of the Andrew Wayne collection sold at LCA in June 2006 (as a 1926 M.E.). Neither collector seems to have recognised the non-standard reverse but it was later brought to my attention by another collector who had spotted the difference from the catalogue. I bought it shortly afterwards at Croydon Coin Auction in May 2010, again as a normal 1926 M.E. penny having recognised it as the Roland Harris coin from the CCA website.

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The pattern is a beauty !, a real gem in such wonderful condition !

I'm so envious Rash !

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1926 Penny Obverse 4 with New Pattern Reverse.

Excellent coin. On the reverse just at the tip of the teeth, there seems to be almost like a very thin linear circle running all the way round. Is this a line or just the photo?

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The line is also on my own photo of the coin and looks quite deliberate. I'll check out the actual coin. Maybe part of the design process ?

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Images won't open for me so I can only see the thumbnails. By definition, I would not get your hopes up

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I can remember seeing a 1922 GB florin in gold at a coin fair in Sydney back in the 1980s. When I asked about it I was told that it was struck for Egypt which seems to confirm what has been said previously.

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Ah, yes, the Royal Mint was supposedly testing alloys for the new gold Egyptian coinage and used florins struck in gold with the accepted alloy being .875 and having a counterstamp "A" affixed at the mint. That and the Norweb specimen are the only ones I know of in private hands.

Just curious Richard, do you count the denticles on all your pennies? If so, that is true dedication!

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Ah, yes, the Royal Mint was supposedly testing alloys for the new gold Egyptian coinage and used florins struck in gold with the accepted alloy being .875 and having a counterstamp "A" affixed at the mint. That and the Norweb specimen are the only ones I know of in private hands.

Just curious Richard, do you count the denticles on all your pennies? If so, that is true dedication!

Sadly I do - that way I discovered the pattern QEII obverse which Michael Gouby now calls C*. It also makes identification of some coins more precise. And it comes in handy when I can't get off to sleep.......

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Ah, yes, the Royal Mint was supposedly testing alloys for the new gold Egyptian coinage and used florins struck in gold with the accepted alloy being .875 and having a counterstamp "A" affixed at the mint. That and the Norweb specimen are the only ones I know of in private hands.

Just curious Richard, do you count the denticles on all your pennies? If so, that is true dedication!

Sadly I do - that way I discovered the pattern QEII obverse which Michael Gouby now calls C*. It also makes identification of some coins more precise. And it comes in handy when I can't get off to sleep.......

Richard, good lead on the sleep thing, I may give that one a try! Ha,Ha.... :)

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Regarding the 1926 with "pattern" reverse. It seems to be a hybrid of Freeman reverses B and C. It has the slightly larger figure of Britannia as on reverse B but has the border teeth of reverse C which are slightly longer and fewer in number (184 as opposed to 187 on reverse C. I assume that it's an interim stage of development of reverse C. It was sold at London Coin Auction in March 2009 as part of the Roland Harris collection (as a 1926 M.E.)

What coin did you count 187 rim denticles on? I've counted the rim denticles on a couple of Freeman C/Gouby d pennies and get 184.

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Regarding the 1926 with "pattern" reverse. It seems to be a hybrid of Freeman reverses B and C. It has the slightly larger figure of Britannia as on reverse B but has the border teeth of reverse C which are slightly longer and fewer in number (184 as opposed to 187 on reverse C. I assume that it's an interim stage of development of reverse C. It was sold at London Coin Auction in March 2009 as part of the Roland Harris collection (as a 1926 M.E.)

What coin did you count 187 rim denticles on? I've counted the rim denticles on a couple of Freeman C/Gouby d pennies and get 184.

Sorry - my typo. I should have said reverse B. Freeman reverse B (Gouby reverse B) has 187 teeth. Gouby reverse c (not listed by Freeman) has 181 teeth. Gouby reverse d (Freeman C) has 184 teeth.

Hope this clarifies.

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Ah good - I thought I was going crazy because I counted the beads on both a 1927 and 1928 and got 184 both times.

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Ah good - I thought I was going crazy because I counted the beads on both a 1927 and 1928 and got 184 both times.

I'm told it's good exercise for the optic muscles.......................

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Or not, don't think they're quite like quads....

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Hi Rashenley, did you manage to check the line running around the Penny reverse?

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On 12/16/2015 at 6:40 PM, just.me said:

Hi Rashenley, did you manage to check the line running around the Penny reverse?

I will get back to you on this after Christmas - I promise !!!!!!

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Hi Just.me

I've checked out the pattern reverse under a 10X magnifier and the border teeth look just as if they've been stuck onto the coin - the line you see on the photo is a very slightly raised edge as if a ring of teeth has been stuck onto a coin with no teeth. I'm hoping to get one of these digital microscope things in the new year and if I can master the technology, the pictures should be very interesting.

Happy New Year to all penny collectors and to those of other denominations........

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