Cleaned 1887 crown.

[goomolique 3]

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/261742104047?_trksid=p2060778.m2749.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

I asked for a refund which buyer refused. Case opened.

[PWA 1967 1,840]

Just to note in the future that the seller says no returns accepted and allowed you to make your own decision on grade.Good luck

[Nick 325]

Just to note in the future that the seller says no returns accepted and allowed you to make your own decision on grade.Good luck

Just because a seller decides that returns are not accepted, it doesn't mean that the buyer cannot return the item. If the item is not as described then eBay will side with the buyer and the seller can like it or lump it.

[Michael-Roo 777]

Judging grade from photos is one thing, a coin having been cleaned is another. If cleaning isn't apparent in the photos (which is the case here ) then I think you have a legitimate complaint as the item wasn't accurately described.

Also: whether a seller does or doesn't offer refunds is irrelevant. As a buyer of anything, anywhere, you have the right to request a refund if not satisfied.

[PWA 1967 1,840]

Most honest sellers will allow for returns in my opinion .

[goomolique 3]

Right. Actually i havent opened a case yet (i thought i did) but contacted him again through ebay.

He is sure the coin is fine and suggested 3 options.

1 open a case via ebay

2 relist it yourself

3 submit it to an independent 3rd party recognised coin grading company ie [ cgs uk ] if they refuse to encapsulate it due to it being cleaned etc then i will be more than happy to give you a full refund including the submission fee

I reckon its fair to take option 3.

What do you think?

[Coinery 926]

Will the seller be refunding the CGS submission cost (post, etc.) if it is returned unslabbed?

[goomolique 3]

Yes thats what he says

[goomolique 3]

Right. Actually i havent opened a case yet (i thought i did) but contacted him again through ebay.

He is sure the coin is fine and suggested 3 options.

1 open a case via ebay

2 relist it yourself

3 submit it to an independent 3rd party recognised coin grading company ie [ cgs uk ] if they refuse to encapsulate it due to it being cleaned etc then i will be more than happy to give you a full refund including the submission fee

I reckon its fair to take option 3.

What do you think?

[Coinery 926]

His pictures look so much better than your's, in terms of how the coin looks!

[goomolique 3]

Yup

[Coinery 926]

Is there a local coin club or dealer near you that could take an in-hand look at it?

[goomolique 3]

Not sure about coin club (im in W/NW London).

Couple of dealers i visited in the past were not helpfull to say the least.

[PWA 1967 1,840]

Just tell him your not happy and send it back.Tell him to come on the forum ,if he is honest will accept the return

[Coinery 926]

That's what I'd do to be honest!

It's unfortunately had a mixed and limited response re the 'clean' and retone on here, so you really have to take stock and review the coin using your own judgement (or get someone else to look at it in-hand).

What do you truly think about the surface?

[azda 973]

Send it to CGS

[goomolique 3]

Lots of parallel scratches on the field only.

None on the bust or George and the dragon.

Looks like field was rubbedwith something.

[Coinery 926]

I wonder, with CGS taking 9 weeks to process a coin (Paulus recently), how you'd then stand re opening a case against a seller?

[goomolique 3]

I wonder, with CGS taking 9 weeks to process a coin (Paulus recently), how you'd then stand re opening a case against a seller?

Exactly. Thats my main concern.

[ozjohn 552]

I wouldn't trust CGS with anything. See posting CGS 1912 Florin UIN 0032905

[PWA 1967 1,840]

goomlique .

Personally i would only buy from reputable dealers or alternative coins you can see in hand,such as coin fairs etc. Lots of coins on Ebay and in my opinion lots of garbage.

Make your bid and win some and lose some.

Pete

[ozjohn 552]

Going back to the origin of the topic a photo taken by the buyer would be helpful to judge the extent of the issue.

[Coinery 926]

Going back to the origin of the topic a photo taken by the buyer would be helpful to judge the extent of the issue.

He did take his own images, they can be found in the 'coin acquisition' thread.

[ozjohn 552]

Thanks for the info. However including the pictures in this thread would be useful

[goomolique 3]

Will do that when i get home.