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In the same boat, had more losers than winners over the years as I'm sure many have. All part of the fun and as long as it's not too expensive I'm happy to take that punt every now and then.

Sorry I read it wrong, thanks for clearing that up ;) 

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You did the right thing by letting the buyer decide for himself.

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What you did was perfectly fair,  Matt, let the bidder decide for himself based on the photo. I was watching this, being unsure, but after comparing it with better examples decided not to bid. Others felt it a risk worth taking, and there is clearly an element of uncertainty even with it in the hand. 

Jerry

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Missed the Spink USA auction yesterday. Some really good pennies there went for peanuts and most sold to a room bidder.

Looks like Atlas Numismatics made another killing.

1874 H - UNC - £80

1870 - UNC - £200

1869 - XF - ?

1868 - XF - ?

1918H - XF - ?

and a few more

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Thats a scarce one Prax :)

I seem to remember another thread about these a few months ago ...........although i might be wrong.

 

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5 hours ago, Nordle11 said:

It looks like Victoria's nipple has slipped out :ph34r: What is that, a die chip or something?

It's not on the coin anymore. More of an optical illusion.

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4 hours ago, secret santa said:

Nice coin Prax - only 4 specimens I believe. Has it got upside down reverse ?

Indeed upside down reverse. I have seen 2 F762s and both had upside down reverses. Have you come across any specimens with a normal reverse alignment?

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It's F762 because the reverse is upside down - if it's a normal reverse, it's F761 (both A+a).

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Not much happening on here.

I recently bought a 1858 ,it came from Heritage and a variety i was made aware of about twelve months ago.

Although a lot dont really look at coppers  i am now really keen on all the varieties.

Just been talking to Matt who thought it was worth sharing a picture.

Its the 1858 with the F over B in DEF.

I Have spent the last twelve months looking at every 1858 (well almost :D) on ebay and found three.

Pete.

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As they say, patience is a virtue :D three found is pretty good going, here's the pics and here's the link for close up inspection.

 

 

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Very nice! 

Is there a specialist publication for the Vikkie coppers other than Peck and Spink? Is Bramagh too dated?

Jerry

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This one and numerous others not mentioned in anything Jerry.

A couple of people on the forum Chingford and Alfnail have helped me so much over the last twelve months would like to say thank you.

 

Pete.

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What convinces everyone that this is a B with a straight edged bottom loop? Wouldn't it also be a little small for a B? Just curious! :)

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11 minutes ago, Coinery said:

What convinces everyone that this is a B with a straight edged bottom loop? Wouldn't it also be a little small for a B? Just curious! :)

I overlaid several letters, best fit below, Ian Fall has a similar overlay coloured that are probably a little clearer.

The B also is the First letter of the next part of the legend, which would fit with the error.

 

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When I first became aware of this suggested variety I was a little sceptical that it really could be another ‘inverted die’ mistake. Of course there are several established legend error varieties of this type, for example the V/ Inverted A’s seen on the 1860 penny and 1854 Half Penny, also the rare 1861 overdates 8/6 and 6/8, but the positions and distance of the relevant letters on the 1858 penny seemed to make an F/B mistake less plausible. Also the protrusions of the underlying B on the first picture I saw were not entirely convincing. I decided to hold judgement until I could acquire a high grade example; pictures of this coin are now attached.

Shot at 120x magnification the top two pictures are the F and B from the actual coin. I have then lassoed (by hand) the bits of B showing under F, highlighted these in yellow, and amended the image in PhotoStudio to 50% transparency……..this is bottom left.  The final stage, bottom right, is an overlay of this picture on top of the B of BRITANIAR.

It seems to me that the protrusions are a good match, and a strong indication that this is indeed a valid error variety, but I would welcome the views of other members.

I have only seen a handful of coins struck from this amended die. If Pete has acquired 3 then I think he has done very well. Perhaps once that ‘Victorian Copper Penny’ book is written he will be able to sell his spares at the same price as say an 1861 6/8! :rolleyes:

1858 F over B in DEF.jpg

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Well done boys, this gives me another variety to look out for and another to list on my varieties website if you're OK with me using your photos ?

Richard

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3 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Also, what variety of 1858 penny does this occur on ?

No WW on Truncation

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One for me to add to my collection.

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Please feel free to use any of my pictures on your website Richard. Best wishes, Ian

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I dont look anymore since buying a nice one ,but noticed one just sold on ebay :o

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7 hours ago, alfnail said:

When I first became aware of this suggested variety I was a little sceptical that it really could be another ‘inverted die’ mistake. Of course there are several established legend error varieties of this type, for example the V/ Inverted A’s seen on the 1860 penny and 1854 Half Penny, also the rare 1861 overdates 8/6 and 6/8, but the positions and distance of the relevant letters on the 1858 penny seemed to make an F/B mistake less plausible. Also the protrusions of the underlying B on the first picture I saw were not entirely convincing. I decided to hold judgement until I could acquire a high grade example; pictures of this coin are now attached.

Shot at 120x magnification the top two pictures are the F and B from the actual coin. I have then lassoed (by hand) the bits of B showing under F, highlighted these in yellow, and amended the image in PhotoStudio to 50% transparency……..this is bottom left.  The final stage, bottom right, is an overlay of this picture on top of the B of BRITANIAR.

It seems to me that the protrusions are a good match, and a strong indication that this is indeed a valid error variety, but I would welcome the views of other members.

I have only seen a handful of coins struck from this amended die. If Pete has acquired 3 then I think he has done very well. Perhaps once that ‘Victorian Copper Penny’ book is written he will be able to sell his spares at the same price as say an 1861 6/8! :rolleyes:

1858 F over B in DEF.jpg

Superb work alfnail and chingford!

it's certainly one heck of an optical illusion that the B looks much bigger than the F.

i concede: 

Penny Boys 1

Everything Else 0

 

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