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Andriulis

Florin 1911 - Where Is The Difference?

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Hello,

could someone help with florin 1911. According to Coincraft in 1911 there are two varieties - first and second obverse. But where is the main difference? Maybe someone could show in pictures.

Thanks

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Hi,

Gouby states the following;

Obv. 1 D of F.D. to bead (Hollow neck)

Obv. 2 D of F.D. to gap (Rounded neck)

I hope that helps!

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Hello Andriulis

Most 1911 denominations have hollow and flat neck varieties, and the florin is no exception.

Hollow neck:

I of GEORGIVS to the right of a bead
D of F.D. to the left of a bead
I of IND to the right of a bead
Flat neck:
I of GEORGIVS between beads
D of F.D. between beads
I of IND at a bead
The hollow neck is quite a bit scarcer.

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The easiest way is to look at the neck : if there is a pronounced ridge running down from behind the ear to the tip of the truncation, dividing the neck front and back - then it's the 'hollow neck' variety. However, if the neck is more or less a continuous convex curve, then it isn't.

The hollow neck is scarcer, but not by a huge degree.

These pictures (separate posts) should help, though they're not florins :

1. 'Hollow neck'

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2. Later (not hollow) neck :

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Thanks a lot for everyone. Now is a little bit more clear situation.

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Hello,

I need your help again - it's that hollow or rounded neck? I see hollow neck. Is that right?

Thanks

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Yes you have a hollow neck there

..wait now I'm doubting it..

Edited by Nordle11

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I of GEORGIVS to bead is 'shallow neck' (Davies 1730), I of GEORGIVS to space is 'full neck' (Davies 1731). So full neck unless the image is creating an illusion.

Edited by Rob

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And has there been enough die study to rule out "hybrids"? His specimen looks to have the hollow neck with prominent sternocleidomastoid muscle and recess/space just posterior to the right of it.

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And has there been enough die study to rule out "hybrids"? His specimen looks to have the hollow neck with prominent sternocleidomastoid muscle and recess/space just posterior to the right of Much l

Much like the 1911 penny (with the I of BRITT as the indicator for me) I've seen quite a few variations of where the I actually sits in relation to a tooth.

I'm remember there being a thread on here about it, and a handful of people provided pictures of different spacings and alignments of the teeth and the lettering for their hollow neck penny..

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