Tooth Or Pearles ?

[patrick6 0]

Hello, I do not think this is normal.

The first coin: tooth

The second: pearles, if I do not make a mistake ?

Can you say it more please ?

Thank you...

[Nordle11 564]

Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..

[azda 973]

Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..[/quo

early 1860 pennies had beaded borders which then became toothed. Check the diameters of the coins

Edited April 22, 2014 by azda

[Gary1000 41]

Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..

Apart from EII

[Nordle11 564]

Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..[/quo

early 1860 pennies had beaded borders which then became toothed. Check the diameters of the coins

I did say post Vic

Worn die? All post Victorian pennies are toothed, none are beaded..

Apart from EII

Sorry I was just being lazy

[patrick6 0]

Weight 9,16 g

Diameter 30,66 mm

Certainely a forgery...

Thank you very much...

[Nordle11 564]

What makes you say it's a forgery Patrick?

It should weigh 9.4g with a diameter of 31mm, so giving a bit of leeway for inconsistencies and the wear, I'd say that's about right..

[davidrj 194]

You are looking at two different reverse dies

F.158 Rev. b E of PENNY to gap (Scarcer type)

F.159 Rev. c E of PENNY to tooth

David

Edited April 22, 2014 by davidrj

[patrick6 0]

I'm not saying it's wrong because a dimension are not good.

I say that if there' s only tooth for "Edward", I am surprise that this coin is true.

Sorry for my English...thank you

[Nordle11 564]

Ah I see!

No problem at all, your English is definitely better than my fluency in your mother tongue!

I do still think this is just a worn die/a weak strike as opposed to a forgery though!

Edited April 22, 2014 by Nordle11

[patrick6 0]

Thank you very much for your kindness...

I will soon buy the "Freeman" and I bore you more for error.

[Nordle11 564]

Bore away, there's a few error collectors on here including myself who are always happy to help. Even non error collectors will chip in I'm sure.

Bear in mind that Freeman doesn't necessarily list errors but more variations of dies. You do get a few mentions of things like dot flaws but actual mint errors like strike-throughs or brockages won't be in there!

[patrick6 0]

Thank you for this information that will help me in my purchase.

[Accumulator 52]

You are looking at two different reverse dies

F.158 Rev. b E of PENNY to gap (Scarcer type)

F.159 Rev. c E of PENNY to tooth

David

You've hit the nail on the head David, two different dies. Actually F-160 & F-161 though!

[Peckris 579]

Hello, I do not think this is normal.

The first coin: tooth

The second: pearles, if I do not make a mistake ?

Can you say it more please ?

Thank you...

For what it's worth (extremely boring as both are very common ), you have an example of each of the two varieties of 1905 penny there. The first has the E of PENNY out of correct alignment - it's parallel to the N and angled away from the P - while the second has the three letters PEN in correct rotation to each other. As I say, it's the second most boring 20th Century variety, but I just thought I'd point it out...

(Sorry, I just noticed Accumulator has already mentioned it )

Edited April 22, 2014 by Peckris

[pies 33]

So what the most boring the 1908?

[Accumulator 52]

So what the most boring the 1908?

1908 is up there. I've seen several incorrect attributions in auctions. The 1* obverse is the big rarity, though.

[Accumulator 52]

Hello, I do not think this is normal.

The first coin: tooth

The second: pearles, if I do not make a mistake ?

Can you say it more please ?

Thank you...

For what it's worth (extremely boring as both are very common ), you have an example of each of the two varieties of 1905 penny there. The first has the E of PENNY out of correct alignment - it's parallel to the N and angled away from the P - while the second has the three letters PEN in correct rotation to each other. As I say, it's the second most boring 20th Century variety, but I just thought I'd point it out...

(Sorry, I just noticed Accumulator has already mentioned it )

To be fair, David mentioned it first Peck

[Peckris 579]

So what the most boring the 1908?

No, the most boring by far concerns the 1937 penny reverse. There's two MICRO-MICRO varieties, which have something to do with whether the exergue line crosses through a tooth or not. Both are equally common, and I've never even looked to see which mine is, or the proof, as I JUST DON'T CARE

[Nicholas 51]

Hi patrivk6.

Have you ever met someone who makes penny forgeries?

[patrick6 0]

Hi Nicholas, I wanted to talk a false time, you could buy a lot of things with a penny,

there a hundred years

[Nicholas 51]

cave quid dicis, quando, et cui

[patrick6 0]

Why do you want me to "cave quid" on this forum are very friendly collectors...

[Nicholas 51]

Agreed!!

[Peckris 579]

cave quid dicis, quando, et cui

Well yes - if you're a forger!!