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P904 variety with first 7 over 1 and 3 over 7. Not the best grade-wise and weakly struck, but plenty of original colour.

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20 hours ago, Paulus said:

This is D&H Yorkshire 64, or 64a if it has a plain edge. Regarded by D&H as very rare (64a) or scarce (64)

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Many thanks for this information. May I ask if numbers 63 to 67 which you have shown on this page are the only York tokens documented in this book, or are there more following on the next page? I did buy a couple of James Carlille HP tokens just the other day which I would have expected to see, these are pictured below. Thanks again,

 

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Here's the rest of the page Ian. I had my eye on those too. :)

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39 minutes ago, alfnail said:

Many thanks for this information. May I ask if numbers 63 to 67 which you have shown on this page are the only York tokens documented in this book, or are there more following on the next page? I did buy a couple of James Carlille HP tokens just the other day which I would have expected to see, these are pictured below. Thanks again,

 

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Boy those are nice examples! :)

DH 63-70 inclusive is York, so 8 different designs + varieties

 

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That's excellent thanks Paulus, your help is much appreciated. The 3 coins I bought all seem to look even better 'in the hand'. All the best, Ian

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Since we are dissecting Mr Gahlin's collection, I have a question regarding token edges. The Bedale halfpenny I bought was listed as DH9. But is this not the engrailed edge, 9b? 

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D & H has the YORK Number 70 as 'Scarce', see bottom of first attachment. But I have found another reference by S.H. Hamer (second attachment) which says that only 200 of these were struck. Is that a printing error, because surely the rarity could not be just 'Scarce' if only that number were struck. I would have thought it would get an R rating, probably RRR. Thanks for any education offered.

 

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D & H has the YORK Number 70 as 'Scarce', see bottom of first attachment. But I have found another reference by S.H. Hamer (second attachment) which says that only 200 of these were struck. Is that a printing error, because surely the rarity could not be just 'Scarce' if only that number were struck. I would have thought it would get an R rating, probably RRR. Thanks for any education offered.

Prob a collectors edition then with that low a mintage - most are prob in higher grades I would think

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Large numbers of tokens were struck in seemingly small quantities, but given many didn't circulate, relative to the number of collectors they remain only scarce. It's the old supply and demand thing. These days, the only important thing is availability and grade from statistics taken in the past few decades. Anything earlier cannot be corroborated with an alternative contemporary study. Some things will always fight above their weight, whilst others will be unloved irrespective of rarity.

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Ok Im back - here’s a recent copper Ive acquired...Denton’s Swan Penny from Gahlin Collection (ex Dudman collection  1901) and 24 grams!

sorry about the image framing😬

 

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William III as Jupiter and James II as Phaeton - the Glorious Revolution 

Is this the first copper penny sized English coin? (OK it’s a medal..Eimer 312a)

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52 minutes ago, Nicholas said:

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William III as Jupiter and James II as Phaeton - the Glorious Revolution 

Is this the first copper penny sized English coin? (OK it’s a medal..Eimer 312a)

No, you have answered your own question. The first copper penny sized coin was the first copper penny. Other diameters are available and have been/are/will be used for both medals and coins. Any apparent links are entirely coincidental.

Nice medal though.

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9 minutes ago, Rob said:

No, you have answered your own question. The first copper penny sized coin was the first copper penny. Other diameters are available and have been/are/will be used for both medals and coins. Any apparent links are entirely coincidental.

Nice medal though.

Thanks Rob - so what year was the first large copper penny issued?

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2 hours ago, Nicholas said:

Thanks Rob - so what year was the first large copper penny issued?

1797? (the cartwheel)

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1 hour ago, Paulus said:

1797? (the cartwheel)

Yes I thought so too - when Boulton and Watts got busy..

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I picked up this rather nice medallion amongst some coins recently. Measures 50mm across and is Copper, whereas all the other examples I can find on the net are 32mm and pewter.

This one is engraved to Francis Hamilton Mellor, Recorder of Preston on the edge - he seems to have been a bit of a celebrity in his day: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Mellor

 

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A few newbies worthy of sharing (hopefully!)

This lovely Warwickshire County Conder Halfpenny Token is ex Richard Dalton (of Dalton and Hamer fame). It's an effigy of the upstart crow (Shakespeare) on the obv.

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Next up, the latest addition to my Kempson's Birmingham Buildings Conder Halfpenny mini collection (I now have 16 out of the 27)

This one also has some nice provenance, being ex Sven Gahlin collection

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