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22 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

They were supposed to be uncrackable. 

They are. This would never pass muster with Mr Average Joe, once he's pulled his loupe out and checked for the micro-lettering. :D

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6 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

They are. This would never pass muster with Mr Average Joe, once he's pulled his loupe out and checked for the micro-lettering. :D

It was always amusing the way cashiers used to hold notes up to the light to check their veracity, but at the same time would accept and pass the commoner fake £1 coins without so much as a second glance.  

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Fake or real?

 

fake 1818rev.jpg

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I would say fake - this has some of the characteristics of the fakes discussed on this forum about a year ago. The dents in the second one of the date and in the neck above look very familiar. Is the orientation right? These should be medal alignment, but the fakes were coin aligned.

 

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2 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

Fake or real?

Fake.  London Coins should know better.

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3 hours ago, Paddy said:

I would say fake - this has some of the characteristics of the fakes discussed on this forum about a year ago. The dents in the second one of the date and in the neck above look very familiar. Is the orientation right? These should be medal alignment, but the fakes were coin aligned.

 

 

2 hours ago, Nick said:

Fake.  London Coins should know better.

Thanks chaps - that's exactly what I thought, but couldn't quite believe that London Coins would make such a schoolboy error.  

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The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042

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If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake.

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1 hour ago, secret santa said:

The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042

1670235598_1843fake.jpg.3cc1ace8efd079b11fa1f71a75315cd4.jpg

If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake.

The W.W. seems too large as well.

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12 hours ago, secret santa said:

The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042

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If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake.

Why on earth produce repros that are so like the original? :angry:

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On 10/1/2019 at 10:21 PM, Peckris 2 said:

Why on earth produce repros that are so like the original? :angry:

I think you know why. 🙁

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20 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

I think you know why. 🙁

Well, no I don't. Other repros - like Ed VII, 1933 pennies, and different Vicky coins - are made recognisably different and only a fool or a novice would be taken in. If it's so lifelike, then it's no longer a repro, it's a deliberate fake and designed to deceive.

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2 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

It’s a deliberate fake and designed to deceive.

That would be my view. 🙁

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Me too.

There is a line that can be crossed.

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On 10/1/2019 at 10:34 AM, secret santa said:

The original fake copper pennies were easy to spot with their shiny surfaces but it appears they're being produced with a more "lifelike" finish which is harder to spot. The coin below has already attracted several bids (although the starting price should be a clue) but is a modern copy.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria-UNC/174046700799?_trkparms=aid%3D111001%26algo%3DREC.SEED%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20160811114145%26meid%3De054dda566274366a6b0092fb5fbe2f0%26pid%3D100667%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D5%26sd%3D174046700799%26itm%3D174046700799%26pmt%3D0%26noa%3D1%26pg%3D2045573&_trksid=p2045573.c100667.m2042

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If in doubt - count the teeth - 175 on the genuine obverse, 180 on the fake.

All of the seller's other listings appear to be fake coins. The half stiver is hilariously bad. Some of the rest are pretty good. The only coin I think may be genuine is the Swiss thaler, although it has a strange tone. 

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Despite my telling him to amend the description he has ignored it and the bidding is up to £93 now and will probably go higher. This is blatant fraud.

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3 hours ago, secret santa said:

Despite my telling him to amend the description he has ignored it and the bidding is up to £93 now and will probably go higher. This is blatant fraud.

I wonder whether it's worth stopping it by putting a few hundred pounds on it and then refusing to pay...

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43 minutes ago, JLS said:

I wonder whether it's worth stopping it by putting a few hundred pounds on it and then refusing to pay...

That crossed my mind but it could persuade someone that it's genuine and they might go even higher - that's the last thing I want.

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4 hours ago, secret santa said:

That crossed my mind but it could persuade someone that it's genuine and they might go even higher - that's the last thing I want.

Might be worth reporting to e bay. Problem is, no-one there would know the difference. 

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The seller has now blocked me and the price is over £100 - how does one contact Ebay about fraud ?

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2 hours ago, secret santa said:

The seller has now blocked me and the price is over £100 - how does one contact Ebay about fraud ?

Click the Report item button, and select from a list: "Restricted and Prohibited items" > "Stamps, currency, coins" > "Replica coins, [etc]"

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It has just sold for more than £300 - outrageous. I'll try the above later.

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I've given up on ebay removing fakes from their listings. They are not interested. With the G III 1818 halfcrown was it coin or medal alignment?

With regard to  London Coins not detecting this coin as a fake raises the question of their ability to authenticate coins. I have always wondered about their expertise in this area.

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I've spent this evening listing 20 or so toy coins. Mostly Lauer which generally say "Imitation of" whatever. The listings all start TOY MONEY and they're listed under tokens. I had ebay autobots all over my a**e for the entire evening telling me that I couldn't list because blah blah blah. Sometimes I'd used identical wording just minutes before witout demur. As a result my listings will be finishing after midnight which is a practice that I usually find unprofitable.

So my take from this is that genuine collectable articles can come under severe scrutiny but just list an outright fake and it's Absolutely fine Sir, enjoy your selling experience.

 

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bagerap--- I am interested in the toy coins ---what do you have? 

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Follow the link to my ebay istings below. There's another 15 or so waiting for photographs so they'll be on next weekend

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