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1699 William III Halfpence - "GALIELMVS" Unlisted Error?

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Looking for info on this coin. Not one I have seen before. Thanks

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I'd say it's a die flaw rather than an inverted A. An A was produced almost invariably by using a V and inserting the crossbar manually which usually results in a thin line. The line is also usually lower down the uprights. Your crossbar is somewhat bulbous which leads me to think it isn't a die sinker's error.

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I'd say it's a die flaw rather than an inverted A. An A was produced almost invariably by using a V and inserting the crossbar manually which usually results in a thin line. The line is also usually lower down the uprights. Your crossbar is somewhat bulbous which leads me to think it isn't a die sinker's error.

Ok, let's for the moment consider it is a die flaw... So can anyone quote which variety? I have found some fairly close matches but not this exact die. Thanks

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I'd say it's a die flaw rather than an inverted A. An A was produced almost invariably by using a V and inserting the crossbar manually which usually results in a thin line. The line is also usually lower down the uprights. Your crossbar is somewhat bulbous which leads me to think it isn't a die sinker's error.

Ok, let's for the moment consider it is a die flaw... So can anyone quote which variety? I have found some fairly close matches but not this exact die. Thanks

There are many dies made for the same year, using individual punches, so you might be searching for a little while to find an exact die match! I agree with Rob, with my primary thought on the 'blob' appearance and location of it.

All is not lost, however, as I couldn't see a stop after GVLIELMVS - could just be the quality of the picture. You'd have to have a microscopic look at it, particularly as it could have just erroded/worn or been weakly struck to begin with!

Welcome, by the way, how did you come by it?

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I'd say it's a die flaw rather than an inverted A. An A was produced almost invariably by using a V and inserting the crossbar manually which usually results in a thin line. The line is also usually lower down the uprights. Your crossbar is somewhat bulbous which leads me to think it isn't a die sinker's error.

Ok, let's for the moment consider it is a die flaw... So can anyone quote which variety? I have found some fairly close matches but not this exact die. Thanks

There are a few options listed in Peck as follows.

P687 GVLIELMVS. TERTIVS. BRITANNIA.

P693 No obverse stops

P693* No stop after GVLIELMVS

There are also a number of varieties unrecorded in Peck but which are impossible to ascertain due to the weakness in the legends on both sides. It isn't the reverse die with the abnormally tall unbarred A for the last letter on the reverse.

You will have to check very carefully to establish whether the stops are present or not because they can be very weak or filled.

I don't have an example from either die to clarify the readings and there is no die duplicate in Nicholson.

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WOOOW nice coin - would tend to agree with the other posters but 1699 date in Ex is quite hard to find - I would say even with the weak strike you have a £50 coin there :D

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WOOOW nice coin - would tend to agree with the other posters but 1699 date in Ex is quite hard to find - I would say even with the weak strike you have a £50 coin there :D

Although rarer than 1700 or 1701, 1699 isn't that hard to find an example of, certain varieties excepted. It is a much commoner date than 1698 date in exergue for example which were only struck for a three month period and then not extensively. I agree it isn't a bad example, just a shame about the weakness as you can't be certain what you have without die duplicates to compare.

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WOOOW nice coin - would tend to agree with the other posters but 1699 date in Ex is quite hard to find - I would say even with the weak strike you have a £50 coin there :D

There doesn't seem to be any control on early copper.Some dealers ask huge amounts for crap.A walk around the Midland coin fair has convinced me few dealers grade correctly and the price range is massive.

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There doesn't seem to be any control on early copper.Some dealers ask huge amounts for crap.A walk around the Midland coin fair has convinced me few dealers grade correctly and the price range is massive.

A lot of W3 copper varieties are only available in crap. Even after Baldwin's basement was emptied, most remain unobtainable in better than VF with quite a lot fine or a bit better at best.

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There doesn't seem to be any control on early copper.Some dealers ask huge amounts for crap.A walk around the Midland coin fair has convinced me few dealers grade correctly and the price range is massive.

A lot of W3 copper varieties are only available in crap. Even after Baldwin's basement was emptied, most remain unobtainable in better than VF with quite a lot fine or a bit better at best.

Fine as in fine or fine for the series.Any currency between 1672 and 1701(1/2d) are so difficult.You can get a nice William and Mary bust coin when the date is not obvious. :(

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Come on Dilly, there's lots to go on here, what's your thoughts?

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