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[Chris Perkins 223]

Right, I got hold of a copy of Peck, and the Micheal Gouby book, so I've been able to put the Peck numbers with great consistancy next to all the copper coins, and the Freeman numbers next to the bronze pennies.

I've also implemented most of the changes that were suggested by you wonderful wonderful people.

Like before, ignore the price data, and bear in mind some of the pictures are still circles:

http://www.rotographic.co.uk/1-25.pdf

(It's about 2mb now)

So far even with the inclusion of the extra George III coins I am at less pages than the equivalent part in the 2004 edition....So perhaps I may be just about 1/3 of the way through.

If you have a local copy of pages 1-21.pdf please delete it, it has now been superceeded and should no longer see the light of day.

[Emperor Oli 0]

Splendid! Page nine seems a bit sparse though! Oh, I liked the little bit at the end "changed the shape" - very funny

[Master Jmd 50]

Mistake no.1) 1951 (non-proof) penny on page 23 of the pdf file says that it is worth £201230...if this is true then can i sell my BU one to you for that ammount

Mistake no.2) As with 1905,08,37 and 44 for the penny section, 1921 also has a * next to it...where is the explination for this?

Enquiery 1) why do you use Peck's reference up to the 1918H penny, and then change it to FMAN?

Edited June 10, 2004 by Master Jmd

[Chris Perkins 223]

Splendid! Page nine seems a bit sparse though! Oh, I liked the little bit at the end "changed the shape" - very funny

Yes, there wasn't enough room for 2 columns, and too much for 1!

You like that little joke did you, I thought it was rather clever too!

Quote Jmd: Mistake no.1) 1951 (non-proof) penny on page 23 of the pdf file says that it is worth £201230...if this is true then can i sell my BU one to you for that ammount

Mistake no.2) As with 1905,08,37 and 44 for the penny section, 1921 also has a * next to it...where is the explination for this?

Enquiry 1) why do you use Peck's reference up to the 1918H penny, and then change it to FMAN?

I'll get those seen to, thanks. The early GV pennies are all Freeman numbers, I just forgot to change the heading to read FMAN. I'll sort it now.

[Master Jmd 50]

The early GV pennies are all Freeman numbers, I just forgot to change the heading to read FMAN. I'll sort it now.

Aren't there Pack references to the GV onward pennies then?

Tip/question) For the 1913 penny you have got; '*1913 - Four Minor Varieties, all are fairly common'...I, as you know, collect pennies, and i have only just seen this variety listing; i do not know the four varieties, and it may be a good idea to put them all

Edited June 10, 2004 by Master Jmd

[Chris Perkins 223]

Aren't there Pack references to the GV onward pennies then?

Tip/question) For the 1913 penny you have got; '*1913 - Four Minor Varieties, all are fairly common'...I, as you know, collect pennies, and i have only just seen this variety listing; i do not know the four varieties, and it may be a good idea to put them all 

Yes, there are 'Peck' numbers, but I will be using Freeman numbers because for Bronze coinage it is more up to date than Peck, and is used as the Bronze bible by people like Custard1966.

Trust you to ask about the 1913 varieties! There just wasn't enough room on the page, and I though that because the values were the same it was beyond the scope of the book.

Edit: OK I've improved the 1913 Penny explanation....Look out for the next update and tell me what you think.

Edited June 10, 2004 by Chris Perkins

[Master Jmd 50]

Trust you to ask about the 1913 varieties! There just wasn't enough room on the page, and I though that because the values were the same it was beyond the scope of the book.

Um, well, you could just tell me; i want to try and get all of the pennies from 1900 - 1970 proof in EF - BU condition, and all theese 'minor varieties' help me

[Chris Perkins 223]

Ok:

The 4 1913 Penny varieties (numbers are Freeman numbers):

174 = Colon between GRA and BRITT points between teeth. 'P' of PENNY points to a tooth.

175 = Colon between GRA and BRITT points between teeth. 'P' of PENNY points between teeth.

176 = Colon between GRA and BRITT points at a tooth. 'P' of PENNY points at a tooth too.

177 = Colon between GRA and BRITT points at a tooth. 'P' of PENNY points between teeth.

[Master Jmd 50]

Thanks chris, i will make a note of it

[Half Penny Jon 0]

I really need to get a copy of Peck or Freeman (preffered)

[Chris Perkins 223]

This Gouby book, like custard says is very thorough on Bronze pennies. I have noticed the odd mistake, and have thought a few times 'Hmmm, that could have been explained easier', and it does miss the odd thing out (1940 double exergue penny for example) but it does have some wonderful pictures it it for identification, and it's super for bun pennies.

Overall a wonderful book, but expensive for such a highly specialised book though.... £25

[Master Jmd 50]

This Gouby book, like custard says is very thorough on Bronze pennies. I have noticed the odd mistake, and have thought a few times 'Hmmm, that could have been explained easier', and it does miss the odd thing out (1940 double exergue penny for example) but it does have some wonderful pictures it it for identification, and it's generally super for bun pennies.

Expensive for such a highly specialised book though.... £25

Hmm, would you say that it would be a thing for me to buy? or does it just note the different year types of pennies from ooks like CC and spink?

And, where would one purchase it?

[Chris Perkins 223]

Hmm, would you say that it would be a thing for me to buy? or does it just note the different year types of pennies from ooks like CC and spink?

And, where would one purchase it?

If you are really serious about your pennies, then yes I would say you could certainly use one of these.

You can get them from the Author himself: http://www.michaelcoins.co.uk/

I was talking to him about offering them on Predecimal.com, but feel they are just too specialised (and the prices are out of date) so to sell one or two a year wouldn't be worth it.

[Master Jmd 50]

...i dont mind about out of date prices, i just want to know the types...i should be able to purchase it allong with a 1896 BU penny from colin cooke on saturday

[kuhli 0]

Okay, my grasp of the English language is not as good as it should be (especially since it is my only language), so maybe I am just not reading it correctly.

The story about the cartwheel 2 pence on the last page.....

....struck by the new steam powered presses installed by James Watt in at the premises of Matthew Boulton in Soho......

[Half Penny Jon 0]

I think we have already discussed this......................?

[Chris Perkins 223]

Yes, we did. Thanks for the correction Kuhli, it'll be correct in the next version.

[Master Jmd 50]

Also: Colin adams sold a 1937 Uniface Edward VIII penny in 2003, this penny is not listed in your book...go to spink.com, go to catalouge archieve, go to the colin adams collection, and go to page 24

[Half Penny Jon 0]

It is similar to the 1933 'model penny', maybe this was for tests?

[Chris Perkins 223]

Jmd,

Put it in the Rotographic database so I don't forget, and I'll probably include it. (I assume you know how much it went for etc?)

[Half Penny Jon 0]

I'll do it while I am on here

[Chris Perkins 223]

What a wonderful team you are.

[Master Jmd 50]

I'll do it while I am on here

oh, sorry, i read chris' with out looking at your post...you will now have 2 of theese on your database...

I am still on the lookout for all kind of wierd and wonderful coins

[Chris Perkins 223]

Oh that's ok, I'll be going through deleting the odd double entry soon.

[Half Penny Jon 0]

Do you think that you will own an Edward VIII penny when you are older JMD?