Coin aquisition of the week.......

[blakeyboy 1,464]

On 11/2/2022 at 3:50 PM, DrLarry said:

also it becomes more difficult on ebay as the word counterfeit or Contemporary copy hits the alarm filter maybe.  I also dont seem to have seen too many lately 

All my interesting fakes came through buying mixed tins of crap when the silver price was low years ago, before it rocketed upwards.

I would buy interesting piles of stuff- accumulations, rather than collections, and often there would be tokens and fakes mixed in.

[DrLarry 409]

35 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

All my interesting fakes came through buying mixed tins of crap when the silver price was low years ago, before it rocketed upwards.

I would buy interesting piles of stuff- accumulations, rather than collections, and often there would be tokens and fakes mixed in.

oh ok it's always more fun finding things by accident ,...unless it is isn't silver for the pot I suppose 

[DrLarry 409]

Had delivery of a few coins that have been waiting in the US for a while .  I think the 8 over an 8 farthing still remains my favourite 

[DrLarry 409]

The 6 over 6 rotation seems quite common in the 1862 Half penny but I have not seen one of these before  ( although I might have done and listed it last week) memory issues  it is associated with an open P an F over F and the overstamping of the old "curly based " N over N ( I shan't bore with images I will add them to my additions to errors in half pennies on half penny varieties) 

[DrLarry 409]

On 10/14/2022 at 3:20 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

PM sent

I would like your opinion on this HALP I got the other day.  With these deep scratches what value would you put on it .  I just want to be careful because once I donate it I dont want the charity to get into difficulty with it selling.  Many thanks and if you all would pass judgement I would be grateful as I now have to decide if it is worth keeping .  it's an obverse 6 .   The question is is it worth £160 ???  

[DrLarry 409]

Has anyone ever come across an 1806 half penny on a very thin flan before?  I would guess this somehow has been struck using a farthing planchet it weighs 3.92 grams .  There is a faint inner ring which might be the size of the farthing on one edge the metal has "caught" I can so no reason why it is cast or a fake .   I will add pictures but only if anyone asks 

[Michael-Roo 764]

I'm asking.

[DrLarry 409]

1 hour ago, Michael-Roo said:

I'm asking.

here you go 

[Peckris 2 1,840]

That's an interesting one. It raises so many questions:

1. is the raised centre on EITHER the obverse OR the reverse the diameter of a farthing?

2. is the physics of striking such that an undersized planchet would spread out laterally, or would it remain more or less the same size?

3. Which would occur first - the 'spread' or the strike? It appears, from the design being present around the 'spread' that the strike (i.e. the impression from the dies onto the metal) must have been fractionally second, as how would the legend be so near perfect on the thin edges?

4. Could this be the result of a deformed planchet that already had the thin edges and the central bulge(s), rather than from a farthing planchet?

[DrLarry 409]

34 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

That's an interesting one. It raises so many questions:

1. is the raised centre on EITHER the obverse OR the reverse the diameter of a farthing?

2. is the physics of striking such that an undersized planchet would spread out laterally, or would it remain more or less the same size?

3. Which would occur first - the 'spread' or the strike? It appears, from the design being present around the 'spread' that the strike (i.e. the impression from the dies onto the metal) must have been fractionally second, as how would the legend be so near perfect on the thin edges?

4. Could this be the result of a deformed planchet that already had the thin edges and the central bulge(s), rather than from a farthing planchet?

yes I was just looking at the images and I think you are right the original planchet must have already been of the "right " diameter.   So like you suggest  just a very thin planchet hence the deformation or lack of detail on the reverse.  The reverse is undefined  whereas the obverse is quite a nice strike.  When is the edging  added ?   Have you ever come across one like this? there is a slight bulge but no more than a ew microns , the thickness is pretty uniform 

Edited November 11, 2022 by DrLarry

[Peckris 2 1,840]

7 minutes ago, DrLarry said:

yes I was just looking at the images and I think you are right the original planchet must have already been of the "right " diameter.   So like you suggest  just a very thin planchet hence the deformation or lack of detail on the reverse.  The reverse is undefined  whereas the obverse is quite a nice strike.  When is the edging  added ?   Have you ever come across one like this? there is a slight bulge but no more than a ew microns , the thickness is pretty uniform 

Never seen one before. The bulging is clearly an optical illusion then.

[DrLarry 409]

29 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

Never seen one before. The bulging is clearly an optical illusion then.

yes I would say it is 1mm thick  yes the bulge is more of a hallo more obvious when looking at the reverse 

[Bernie 172]

I think that this coin has been partially dissolved in acid. Many bronze pennies have turned up over the years, many used to be for sale at R Ingram coins where they were advertised as thin planchets. 

[Rob 2,784]

57 minutes ago, Bernie said:

I think that this coin has been partially dissolved in acid. Many bronze pennies have turned up over the years, many used to be for sale at R Ingram coins where they were advertised as thin planchets. 

Except that the edge milling is wrong. Diagonal milling was used on the 1787 silver for example, but Soho used a recessed groove with internal milling lines.To lose the raised part of the security edge would require 1/2mm at least off each face, along with a similar amount off the edge working towards the centre. If the diameter agrees with that rate of attrition, then I would concur re the partialy dissolved hypothesis. If the diameter is correct, then we have a conundrum.

[DrLarry 409]

12 hours ago, Bernie said:

I think that this coin has been partially dissolved in acid. Many bronze pennies have turned up over the years, many used to be for sale at R Ingram coins where they were advertised as thin planchets. 

it is an idea 

[seuk 85]

Just got another conterfeit 1s6d Bank Token - both obverse and reverse are new. So I now have a total 17 different variations (with 15 different obverse and reverse dies) of the 1811 date. 

[Coinery 734]

£100 - absolute bargain for this Comber provenance, rarer marked 6d

Edited November 19, 2022 by Coinery

[Unwilling Numismatist 503]

Had a lovely one from ebay this morning. £1.50 including post. 1908 Penny......

[Iannich48 181]

1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

Had a lovely one from ebay this morning. £1.50 including post. 1908 Penny......

A nice bargain there. I am amazed that sellers do not know what they are selling sometimes.

[terrysoldpennies 626]

Yes  F164A  🙂

[Rob 2,784]

5 minutes ago, Iannich48 said:

A nice bargain there. I am amazed that sellers do not know what they are selling sometimes.

There's no reason to assume that the average punter knows what he or she is selling. Every day I am asked if I want to buy coins, but when I ask what they have, the face goes blank. Yesterday I was offered a selection of ancient coins, including a 1917 penny and an 1896 penny - both of which you could read the date according to the vendor. The truth is, that most people neither know nor care what they have over and above it must be worth something, and if it's a hundred years old it must be worth a lot. 

You also have to consider the number of pennies needed to be checked on average for a rarity to appear. Under duress from she who must be obeyed to reduce the amount of my crap that fills every room in the house, I've just sifted through 50kgs of bronze to weigh in and didn't find a single one. OK, I was only looking for F164A, 1903 open 3, 1922/7 and any Victoria VF or better in the case of pennies, but even that small number of dates was a pretty tedious exercise. 

 

[Iannich48 181]

1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

Had a lovely one from ebay this morning. £1.50 including post. 1908 Penny......

Was this a buy it now or auction? Just out of interest.

[Iannich48 181]

19 minutes ago, Rob said:

There's no reason to assume that the average punter knows what he or she is selling. Every day I am asked if I want to buy coins, but when I ask what they have, the face goes blank. Yesterday I was offered a selection of ancient coins, including a 1917 penny and an 1896 penny - both of which you could read the date according to the vendor. The truth is, that most people neither know nor care what they have over and above it must be worth something, and if it's a hundred years old it must be worth a lot. 

You also have to consider the number of pennies needed to be checked on average for a rarity to appear. Under duress from she who must be obeyed to reduce the amount of my crap that fills every room in the house, I've just sifted through 50kgs of bronze to weigh in and didn't find a single one. OK, I was only looking for F164A, 1903 open 3, 1922/7 and any Victoria VF or better in the case of pennies, but even that small number of dates was a pretty tedious exercise. 

 

Oh yes I agree Rob. Depends how many coins the seller has i suppose. 

[Unwilling Numismatist 503]

Straight up BIN, couldn't believe it - full coin.

[Bruce 151]

1 hour ago, Unwilling Numismatist said:

Straight up BIN, couldn't believe it - full coin.

A real real bargain, congratulations 👏