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1 hour ago, secret santa said:

Chris, isn't this a F174 ?

Indeed.

David's F176 was posted by him back in 2014 - here

ETA: although that 176 above, isn't in Rob's list. The 174 is so maybe Chris was just pleased to get a really nice example of a 174.  

 

 

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19 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

Yes its a 174 !!

I bought it as F176. The colon dot between GRA and BRITT would have to be nearer to and almost touching the A to be Obverse 1, and it isn't.

What makes you say it's F174?

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33 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

I bought it as F176. The colon dot between GRA and BRITT would have to be nearer to and almost touching the A to be Obverse 1, and it isn't.

What makes you say it's F174?

Yes its a F174,forgetting the colon indicator which is also OBV1 ,two other indicators for OBV 2 (F176) i of BRITT to tooth ,I of IMP to tooth ,yours are both to gap which is OBV1.

F176 Below.

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9 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

The colon dot between GRA and BRITT would have to be nearer to and almost touching the A to be Obverse 1, and it isn't.

Obverse A                                                                                                                          Obverse B

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Obverse B has A & B closer together and equidistant from the colon

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The first type above I call 'Gap'.

On the reverse, 1 to a space I call 'Gap'

I know that the two common ones are opposites,  i.e. reverse gap but no obverse gap, and the other way around.

You just say 'gap' or 'no gap' when looking, and you then can spend more time on the rare ones.

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Rev B Gap (the first 1 over a gap)                                                                                               Rev A No Gap (the first 1 over a tooth)

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13 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

I bought it as F176. The colon dot between GRA and BRITT would have to be nearer to and almost touching the A to be Obverse 1, and it isn't.

What makes you say it's F174?

As Richard has shown the reverse is easy to determine by the date . at a distance the  Freeman Rev. A   is the wider of the two dates and has the 1 in the date to the tooth,  even though it has less teeth than the Freeman Rev. B  which has the 1 in the date to the Gap.

Now the Obverse is a little tricky but , I find the best way is to look at the IMP as Pete suggests , but at a distance and on worn coins its good to look at the gap between the  I and M in IMP.  On the Obverse Freeman 1 the gap is wide [ I MP ] with the appearance that there are two complete teeth between the   I And M  .  Where as on the Obverse 2 , the I and M are Closer together [ IMP ] with just one tooth between the  I and M .    So on the        F174  1+A  Both are wide ,          F175  1+B  Obv. wide  [ I MP ] - Rev. Date Narrow [ 1913 ]  ,       F176  2+A the rarest type  Obv. narrow  [ IMP ] - Rev. Date Wide [ 1 9 1 3 ]  .      F177  2+B  Both are Narrow .  !!    Both of the Rarer Mule types are opposite's .       I trust I make myself perfectly Obscure .      Terry

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6 minutes ago, terrysoldpennies said:

As Richard has shown the reverse is easy to determine by the date . at a distance the  Freeman Rev. A   is the wider of the two dates and has the 1 in the date to the tooth,  even though it has less teeth than the Freeman Rev. B  which has the 1 in the date to the Gap.

Now the Obverse is a little tricky but , I find the best way is to look at the IMP as Pete suggests , but at a distance and on worn coins its good to look at the gap between the  I and M in IMP.  On the Obverse Freeman 1 the gap is wide [ I MP ] with the appearance that there are two complete teeth between the   I And M  .  Where as on the Obverse 2 , the I and M are Closer together [ IMP ] with just one tooth between the  I and M .    So on the        F174  1+A  Both are wide ,          F175  1+B  Obv. wide  [ I MP ] - Rev. Date Narrow [ 1913 ]  ,       F176  2+A the rarest type  Obv. narrow  [ IMP ] - Rev. Date Wide [ 1 9 1 3 ]  .      F177  2+B  Both are Narrow .  !!    Both of the Rarer Mule types are opposite's .       I trust I make myself perfectly Obscure .      Terry

Thanks for that Terry.

I actually find the reverses are simplicity itself - I can tell them apart at just a glance. But the obverses are tricky! Jeez, even the farthings are easier to tell apart, and they're tiny.

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28 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

Thanks for that Terry.

I actually find the reverses are simplicity itself - I can tell them apart at just a glance. But the obverses are tricky! Jeez, even the farthings are easier to tell apart, and they're tiny.

All the farting and faffing about you have to do in order to determine whether or not it's a 175/176, is probably why, despite their obvious scarcity, they've never really captured the penny collector's imagination. Same with the 164A  & 169 to some extent.     

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If you make life to easy, there's no challenge , after all its the thrill of the chase .   As we know most people just want one of each year.

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2 hours ago, terrysoldpennies said:

If you make life to easy, there's no challenge , after all its the thrill of the chase .   As we know most people just want one of each year.

Very true, but you only have to compare the F90 with the F103. The 103 is actually rarer than the F90, but the F90 invariably fetches several thousand pounds, whereas the 103 fetches much less than this.  Of course the F90 is recognisable instantly, whereas the F103 is definitely not.

The cache of easy recognition is undeniable in this regard. 

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O yes I agree, its a combination between the rarity , The perceived rarity , and the demand and hype associated with the particular coin.

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1 hour ago, 1949threepence said:

Very true, but you only have to compare the F90 with the F103. The 103 is actually rarer than the F90, but the F90 invariably fetches several thousand pounds, whereas the 103 fetches much less than this.  Of course the F90 is recognisable instantly, whereas the F103 is definitely not.

The cache of easy recognition is undeniable in this regard. 

And of course, the easy recognition also means those varieties have been known about for years and have featured in many a guide, sale, article etc - all of which adds to their fame and therefore popularity.

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All that coverage adds to 'perceived' value.

I mean, if Angus Deayton hadn't been fired, would Boris Johnson be PM?

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Wrong thread😀

 

 

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Cleaned sometime, but what the hell, you don't often see these in reasonable grade:

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Obverse (definitely cleaned!):

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On 3/1/2022 at 8:24 PM, blakeyboy said:

All that coverage adds to 'perceived' value.

I mean, if Angus Deayton hadn't been fired, would Boris Johnson be PM?

Best of a bad bunch

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This just arrived.

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It's an upgrade, which means I have a spare 1911 Proof looking for a good home. Not the same grade as this, but if anyone is interested, just drop me a PM.

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New arrival (halfcrown)

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Another type gap-filling newbie, this from the Spink eAuction last week (halfcrown)

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HALP   7+G

eBay. Spotted amongst a group of 16. £14.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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7 minutes ago, Zo Arms said:

HALP   7+G

eBay. Spotted amongst a group of 16. £14.

Nice one. :)

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2 hours ago, Zo Arms said:

HALP   7+G

eBay. Spotted amongst a group of 16. £14.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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NICE FIND!! 

I paid for mine......

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