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8 hours ago, Rob said:

Assuming the holder is genuine, that might just be dipped. For some reason, dipping (and 'conservation') isn't considered cleaning by the TPGs.

Not a chance. Dipping doesn't give a mirrored polished look. If anything it makes silver more  dull, though does remove unsightly tarnish or bad toning.

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2 hours ago, Sword said:

To be fair, most dealers don't consider dipping as cleaning either. You are one of very few that mention dipping in the description.

Unless it was a US coin where dipping is "market acceptable" for some reason, I'd be pretty annoyed to be sold a dipped coin as problem-free. 

Last year I bought a nice looking Edward VII florin out of DNW at the reserve on an opportunistic bid. It was in a MS61 holder and described as EF+, bright...

In hand, blank, lifeless surfaces, no real mint brilliance. Luckily I didn't pay too much for it and found someone at Bloomsbury who took it off me for what I purchased it for...

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"Bright" is a suspicious word in auction descriptions. I think it often implies an unspecified "cleaning" issue. The problem-free word is probably "lustrous".

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28 minutes ago, Sword said:

"Bright" is a suspicious word in auction descriptions. I think it often implies an unspecified "cleaning" issue. The problem-free word is probably "lustrous".

Except on eBay where the opposite applies. All things bright and not beautiful are described as lustrous.

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Just now, Rob said:

Except on eBay where the opposite applies. All things bright and not beautiful are described as lustrous.

Ebay :D 

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5 hours ago, Sword said:

Ebay :D 

 

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17 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

Not a chance. Dipping doesn't give a mirrored polished look. If anything it makes silver more  dull, though does remove unsightly tarnish or bad toning.

I've got a 1907 shilling which I think has been dipped - got a distinctly "matt" finish. Not real lustre, which is obvious as you turn the coin.  

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About 9-10 years ago when silver had reached silly money, I put some pre 1919 culls through an ultrasonic cleaner before selling for melt. They all came out with a matte finish.

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9 hours ago, Sword said:

Ebay :D 

 

4 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

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I am probably in the small minority of people never to have brought from eBay or ebay.PNG or whatever.

I probably wasn't being clear earlier. I was just laughing at the common occurrences of blatant misrepresentation by some sellers on that platform. 

 

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1 hour ago, Sword said:

 

I am probably in the small minority of people never to have brought from eBay or ebay.PNG or whatever.

I probably wasn't being clear earlier. I was just laughing at the common occurrences of blatant misrepresentation by some sellers on that platform. 

 

I think you need to know what you're doing with the shark infested waters of e bay. If you are cautious and know your subject (usually your specialist hobby area), then there are bargains to be had. I've been fortunate enough to bag a number of them over the years. Generally speaking they are cheaper than many dealers, although I appreciate some dealers combine their own website with e bay sales. 

The very rare and/or very high quality stuff you see at auction, but that comes with the additional cost.        

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9 hours ago, alfnail said:

I see that someone has now bid on this, amazing!

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1843-Victoria-Copper-Penny/164249753649

 

Forgive me, but can you list the problems with the coin listed on e bay please?

I ask so I can add to my knowledge bank.

I mean, I see several edge knocks and am I right that it's been harshly cleaned?

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Weaver (wayne)

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There are people here who know a lot more about pennies than me, but as an amateur I can see immediately that this is wrong. The hair is too coarse, the features on the bust are crudely executed - I describe it as "cartoon-like". The toning is unnatural and clearly modern and artificial.

That is before you get into the actual errors - the shield should be more convex and the line spacing looks wrong. The date numerals look too large and possibly the wrong font - but there are so many errors that the overall effect is dreadful.

 

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So it's 'clearly' a fake coin right?

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21 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

I think you need to know what you're doing with the shark infested waters of e bay. If you are cautious and know your subject (usually your specialist hobby area), then there are bargains to be had. I've been fortunate enough to bag a number of them over the years. Generally speaking they are cheaper than many dealers, although I appreciate some dealers combine their own website with e bay sales. 

The very rare and/or very high quality stuff you see at auction, but that comes with the additional cost.        

I agree, what about an 'Ebay's BEST Offerings' Topic, where we all share our doozies and say what a great selling site it can be? 

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45 minutes ago, Weaver said:

So it's 'clearly' a fake coin right?

100% fake and not even a good one.

 

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10 minutes ago, Paddy said:

100% fake and not even a good one.

 

Man, I have got soooo much to learn because I didn't spot that as a fake at all.

I knew that it wasn't in much of a collectible grade, but I never thought it would be a counterfeit or replica coin.

I'm learning from you guys!😎

Cheers,

Weaver (wayne)

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8 minutes ago, Paddy said:

100% fake and not even a good one.

 

Yes, modern Chinese fakes cheaply purchased from Aliexpress. and similar, available in all dates. You have to look out for examples of the bronze series too, indeed most denominations. They are close, but not exact copies.

Here is another seller, his British copper are clearly fake, and I suspect his foreign coins may be too.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1839-British-Large-Penny-Queen-Victoria/174324549566?hash=item28968d87be:g:pegAAOSwmGde75AZ

Jerry

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... and I suspect that the edge knocks and cleaning have been deliberately done in an attempt to make it look authentic. 

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1 hour ago, Weaver said:

Man, I have got soooo much to learn because I didn't spot that as a fake at all.

I knew that it wasn't in much of a collectible grade, but I never thought it would be a counterfeit or replica coin.

I'm learning from you guys!😎

Cheers,

Weaver (wayne)

The easiest way to learn is to compare a suspect coin with a genuine one. This type of fakes is not convincing as the the design is crude and is formed from sharp and deep cut lines. "Cartoon-like" as Paddy has put it. Paddy has also listed the things to look out for. 

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1 hour ago, Weaver said:

Man, I have got soooo much to learn because I didn't spot that as a fake at all.

I knew that it wasn't in much of a collectible grade, but I never thought it would be a counterfeit or replica coin.

I'm learning from you guys!😎

Cheers,

Weaver (wayne)

Once you've seen a lot of genuine pennies, the fake ones hit you in the eye immediately. Even if they're good.

That 1843, despite the artificial wear and knocks, is actually quite poor.    

Probably I'd be unable to recognise fakes of other denominations.

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2 hours ago, Diaconis said:

I agree, what about an 'Ebay's BEST Offerings' Topic, where we all share our doozies and say what a great selling site it can be? 

That's a great idea. Do you want to get the ball rolling?

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On 6/20/2020 at 4:06 PM, 1949threepence said:

I've got a 1907 shilling which I think has been dipped - got a distinctly "matt" finish. Not real lustre, which is obvious as you turn the coin.  

Yes, that sounds like a dipped coin.

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