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Is this really worth more than face value? Cant see this 'error' having happened in the mint.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/one-penny-error-/221716957436?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339f5c48fc

Jerry

No, can't be a mint error, there wouldn't have been enough copper in a 1 penny flan to fill up that much of a crater in a die! Not without losing the reverse design, and leaving a substantial opposing crater in the middle of it!

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Hmmmmm....after first altering his description to state 'this is not a mule' he has revised it again , weasel words stating that it is in fact a mule, and imposing a BIN of £500.

What planet.......?

Jerry

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Is this really worth more than face value? Cant see this 'error' having happened in the mint.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/one-penny-error-/221716957436?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item339f5c48fc

Jerry

Looks like the squashed centipede variety to me. I'm not sure about whether this occurred at the Mint. Some of the legend appears to be struck into this 'blob' which would kind of suggest it was, but............ Some people will do anything to try and create a market and generate some money from the unsuspecting. For me, if a Mint 'error' then I'd maybe pay a fiver for it, but not 200 times that.

squashed centipede variety :)

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Notice how this seller intigrates the American XF grade for a British EF grade. XF 40 equates to a CGS Good Fine making this coin About £780 overpriced

221491637784

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http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221491637784?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26ghostText%3D%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D221491637784%26_rdc%3D1

Notice how this seller intigrates the American XF grade for a British EF grade. XF 40 equates to a CGS Good Fine making this coin About £780 overpriced

221491637784

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/221491637784?ru=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ebay.co.uk%2Fsch%2Fi.html%3F_from%3DR40%26ghostText%3D%26_sacat%3D0%26_nkw%3D221491637784%26_rdc%3D1

To be fair, they don't state 'British' EF, and I think they use XF and EF interchangeably in the US, but they are quoting the Britsh EF Spink guide price, and I would say it is intended to mislead.

Always surprised at the terminology of the Sheldon scale, a coin that we see as VF can be graded AU 50 over there ...

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I see the coin as NVF personally, PCGS has it slabbed as XF and so He uses the British grade to increase the price 6 fold,

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I emailed him About the grading terminology, his reply, notice he's still using EF instead of the Label XF

Hello, The PCGS EF40 is approximately About Extremely Fine In terms of the English grading system, This Coin Is by no standards equal to a coin graded at good fine. If we take the standard scientific numismatic approach to grading coins, the Grade of Extremely fine is attributed to a coin that displays 90% or more of it original design-usually most obvious at the high points of the coins devices and legends, with a simple cursory glance at the coin in question and then on further detailed analysis (when in hand) I'm entirely satisfied that this coin displays at least 85% of its original raised design quite probably more. The PCGS is far more accurate than many British collectors give them credit for. The CGS seem a little sure of themselves considering there position in the market. As all good numismatists know, its a question of 'buy the coin not the slab'

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Someone was having fun at the mint. It isn't a hole milled out and a farthing dropped in place because you have farthing and penny detail intermingled. So it looks like someone took a farthing die and gave it a clout with the penny underneath. I note there is no picture showing the other side, which I suspect might provide incriminating evidence.

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I suspected it might have been a lunchtime prank at the RM. I'll ask him for a photo of the obverse.

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Why would anyone slab this?????

a £5 coin at most

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My old friend of '1882 No H, won't sell it to you fame' is back in action again. This time it's a 1853 halfcrown, claimed to be a Victorian copy, but maybe '3 over 7' or '7 over 3.' Oh, and it's a 'rare' filler - I'm not so sure about that as there are others on ebay selling this date including a set of 4 rare date Victoria halfcrowns. They don't all appear to be the same, but from the photos I can't tell, although the shape of the date numerals looks pretty consistent. To be fair the seller with the set of four does make it absolutely clear they are replicas. However, I can see somebody unscrupulous buying the set and selling them on individually as genuine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-Half-Crown-1853-/321711046135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae778fdf7

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Queen-Victoria-Silver-Half-Crown-1853-Replica-Coin-/161654704645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a35f0a05

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Half-Crowns-Replica-1841-1843-1848-1853-/321710254086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae76ce806

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1853-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PATTERN-HALFCROWN-FREEPOST-/391079247590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b0e23bee6

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My old friend of '1882 No H, won't sell it to you fame' is back in action again. This time it's a 1853 halfcrown, claimed to be a Victorian copy, but maybe '3 over 7' or '7 over 3.' Oh, and it's a 'rare' filler - I'm not so sure about that as there are others on ebay selling this date including a set of 4 rare date Victoria halfcrowns. They don't all appear to be the same, but from the photos I can't tell, although the shape of the date numerals looks pretty consistent. To be fair the seller with the set of four does make it absolutely clear they are replicas. However, I can see somebody unscrupulous buying the set and selling them on individually as genuine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-Half-Crown-1853-/321711046135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae778fdf7

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Queen-Victoria-Silver-Half-Crown-1853-Replica-Coin-/161654704645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a35f0a05

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Half-Crowns-Replica-1841-1843-1848-1853-/321710254086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae76ce806

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1853-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PATTERN-HALFCROWN-FREEPOST-/391079247590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b0e23bee6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321710254959?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Here is a real bargain...4 1860 YH Half Pennies in the same auction! I have never seen so many fakes show up at once!

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Wow, only 39 quid also gets you an 1841 and 1843 AND 1848.

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Lol, FS-COINS, he's doing his ebay name a great favour selling fakes.

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My old friend of '1882 No H, won't sell it to you fame' is back in action again. This time it's a 1853 halfcrown, claimed to be a Victorian copy, but maybe '3 over 7' or '7 over 3.' Oh, and it's a 'rare' filler - I'm not so sure about that as there are others on ebay selling this date including a set of 4 rare date Victoria halfcrowns. They don't all appear to be the same, but from the photos I can't tell, although the shape of the date numerals looks pretty consistent. To be fair the seller with the set of four does make it absolutely clear they are replicas. However, I can see somebody unscrupulous buying the set and selling them on individually as genuine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-Half-Crown-1853-/321711046135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae778fdf7

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Queen-Victoria-Silver-Half-Crown-1853-Replica-Coin-/161654704645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a35f0a05

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Half-Crowns-Replica-1841-1843-1848-1853-/321710254086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae76ce806

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1853-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PATTERN-HALFCROWN-FREEPOST-/391079247590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b0e23bee6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321710254959?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Here is a real bargain...4 1860 YH Half Pennies in the same auction! I have never seen so many fakes show up at once!

Jesus, that's not good. The 1860s won't fool many people because they are generally known to be only available in top grade and really rare, but the 1845s will likely generate some illicit returns for someone because they appear in all grades.

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My old friend of '1882 No H, won't sell it to you fame' is back in action again. This time it's a 1853 halfcrown, claimed to be a Victorian copy, but maybe '3 over 7' or '7 over 3.' Oh, and it's a 'rare' filler - I'm not so sure about that as there are others on ebay selling this date including a set of 4 rare date Victoria halfcrowns. They don't all appear to be the same, but from the photos I can't tell, although the shape of the date numerals looks pretty consistent. To be fair the seller with the set of four does make it absolutely clear they are replicas. However, I can see somebody unscrupulous buying the set and selling them on individually as genuine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-Half-Crown-1853-/321711046135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae778fdf7

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Queen-Victoria-Silver-Half-Crown-1853-Replica-Coin-/161654704645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a35f0a05

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Half-Crowns-Replica-1841-1843-1848-1853-/321710254086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae76ce806

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1853-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PATTERN-HALFCROWN-FREEPOST-/391079247590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b0e23bee6

http://www.ebay.com/itm/321710254959?_trksid=p2055119.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

Here is a real bargain...4 1860 YH Half Pennies in the same auction! I have never seen so many fakes show up at once!

Jesus, that's not good. The 1860s won't fool many people because they are generally known to be only available in top grade and really rare, but the 1845s will likely generate some illicit returns for someone because they appear in all grades.

Unlike the halfcrowns the halfpennies are only descibed as replicas in the small print further down the page, alongside the suggestion of 'great re-sale value' - a clear invitation for fraud by the buyer.

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The 1860 halfpennies can't surely be modern copies to deceive the discerning collector in that condition? Wouldn't be worth it?

Would love to know how they came by that number though?

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My old friend of '1882 No H, won't sell it to you fame' is back in action again. This time it's a 1853 halfcrown, claimed to be a Victorian copy, but maybe '3 over 7' or '7 over 3.' Oh, and it's a 'rare' filler - I'm not so sure about that as there are others on ebay selling this date including a set of 4 rare date Victoria halfcrowns. They don't all appear to be the same, but from the photos I can't tell, although the shape of the date numerals looks pretty consistent. To be fair the seller with the set of four does make it absolutely clear they are replicas. However, I can see somebody unscrupulous buying the set and selling them on individually as genuine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-Half-Crown-1853-/321711046135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae778fdf7

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Queen-Victoria-Silver-Half-Crown-1853-Replica-Coin-/161654704645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a35f0a05

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Half-Crowns-Replica-1841-1843-1848-1853-/321710254086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae76ce806

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1853-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PATTERN-HALFCROWN-FREEPOST-/391079247590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b0e23bee6

Goodness me, this looks like a new VERY intelligent move by the counterfeiters to 'blend in' with the mass market by making lesser grade coins? The kind that might entice a middle-market collector to step unwittingly out of their comfort zone?

Somebody needs to face this full-on with a dedicated and properly functional website, that looks at all these 'problems' at the die and micro level. :(

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My old friend of '1882 No H, won't sell it to you fame' is back in action again. This time it's a 1853 halfcrown, claimed to be a Victorian copy, but maybe '3 over 7' or '7 over 3.' Oh, and it's a 'rare' filler - I'm not so sure about that as there are others on ebay selling this date including a set of 4 rare date Victoria halfcrowns. They don't all appear to be the same, but from the photos I can't tell, although the shape of the date numerals looks pretty consistent. To be fair the seller with the set of four does make it absolutely clear they are replicas. However, I can see somebody unscrupulous buying the set and selling them on individually as genuine.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victorian-Half-Crown-1853-/321711046135?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae778fdf7

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Queen-Victoria-Silver-Half-Crown-1853-Replica-Coin-/161654704645?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item25a35f0a05

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Half-Crowns-Replica-1841-1843-1848-1853-/321710254086?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item4ae76ce806

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1853-QUEEN-VICTORIA-PATTERN-HALFCROWN-FREEPOST-/391079247590?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item5b0e23bee6

Goodness me, this looks like a new VERY intelligent move by the counterfeiters to 'blend in' with the mass market by making lesser grade coins? The kind that might entice a middle-market collector to step unwittingly out of their comfort zone?

Somebody needs to face this full-on with a dedicated and properly functional website, that looks at all these 'problems' at the die and micro level. :(

All the Halfpenny counterfeits are reconisable by the smaller than genuine numbers in the dates, the first one in each date has an extended top serif.

There are currently 1845, 1848, 1851 and 1860 Halfpenny copies out there, I haven't seen any new Penny counterfeits, only contemporay 1841 and 1826.

I did a montage sometime ago showing genuine coins next to copies, I'll dig it out over the weekend and repost it

John

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The 1860 halfpennies can't surely be modern copies to deceive the discerning collector in that condition? Wouldn't be worth it?

Would love to know how they came by that number though?

They can be bought in any quantity from the Chinese sellers http://www.aliexpress.com/snapshot/6237744587.html?orderId=63774643856043

I'm always amazed at the price of Chinese goods. I recently bought a telecoms wiring insertion tool via Amazon, and the item came all the way from China. Total cost of the tool and the postage, presumably with both the manufacturer and the postal companies taking a small profit, was just £1.69!!

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There are copies of the new £2 coin for sale, one UK based collector has bought 2400 copies, can't think they are all for his own personal collection

I copied his details and the Ad over to the Royal Mint, see if Ebay will ignore, as they do our reports, any investigation from them once they pop up for sale.

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