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Rob

F10 penny query

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Losing the will to live here.

For 1860, J & JA are given as sign on cape and JB as sign on cape away from edge. It's obviously not very important as it isn't illustrated, but please could someone give me a clue what the difference looks like given all are supposedly the same obverse D.

Next question - what is special about the four repairs to Jd, Je, Jh and Jk which caused Gouby to list them? These are just a few examples amongst many of legend repairs, so what sets them apart? e.g. this thing here has repairs to CIDBRITRF&D, with the first T of BRITT partially filled, and the number of F10s produced dictates there will be many examples of repairs, to the extent that it's questionable whether they are worth recording as varieties for the general collector unless doing an in-depth die study. 

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Rob

I'm not sure where you found that JB has the signature in a different place.  As you say, they are all obverse D (Freeman 2).

I agree about the Je to Jk repairs. I'm assuming that collectors have sent in photos of these repairs to Michael who decided to include them, purely for illustration. The list of die repairs is virtually endless and I personally don't regard them as particularly noteworthy, other than the occasional spectacular example, e.g. N over Z, E over P etc.

Clearly, these repairs are of interest to some collectors, viz Larry's numerous examples of similar repairs on halfpennies on this Forum.

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The different place is noted in section 4 of Gouby's Specialist edition, the 3rd line of die pairs D+d. Whilst this isn't V over inverted A, I'd say the signature is over 50% off the base of the bust as opposed to less than 50% which I would classify as on the bust - hence the question. But I guess this could just be die wear/fill? Otherwise there doesn't look to be anything out the ordinary.

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OK - I've found it on page VP1 in the obverse description. I would say that this is an error in that:

either Michael meant to include "away from edge" on every obverse D in order to differentiate them from obverse E which is definitely "close to edge".

Or, he accidentally copied it from the obverse DE below which is (like Obverse D) also away from the edge.

I certainly wouldn't expect the V over inverted A to be different from any other obverse D coins.

Do you have a particular coin that you are looking at in hand ?

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7 hours ago, secret santa said:

Rob

I'm not sure where you found that JB has the signature in a different place.  As you say, they are all obverse D (Freeman 2).

I agree about the Je to Jk repairs. I'm assuming that collectors have sent in photos of these repairs to Michael who decided to include them, purely for illustration. The list of die repairs is virtually endless and I personally don't regard them as particularly noteworthy, other than the occasional spectacular example, e.g. N over Z, E over P etc.

Clearly, these repairs are of interest to some collectors, viz Larry's numerous examples of similar repairs on halfpennies on this Forum.

I only find them interesting because they amuse me and I think as time goes on it is in some ways important to register the for future references.  Of course it is lovely to have perfect specimens but I have always had a soft spot for the "imperfect" .  A reflection of my own personality and life I suppose LOL.  That is also why , having taken up so much on the half penny thread , I'd start my own on the Pennies.  They simply illustrate a sense of "panic" from 1860 to 1863  and occasionally a little beyond.  

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5 hours ago, secret santa said:

OK - I've found it on page VP1 in the obverse description. I would say that this is an error in that:

either Michael meant to include "away from edge" on every obverse D in order to differentiate them from obverse E which is definitely "close to edge".

Or, he accidentally copied it from the obverse DE below which is (like Obverse D) also away from the edge.

I certainly wouldn't expect the V over inverted A to be different from any other obverse D coins.

Do you have a particular coin that you are looking at in hand ?

I think I have something that looks like a V over an Inverted A  in an 1861 

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5 hours ago, Rob said:

The reverse has a flaw through the 1st N

Bog standard F10 - colons point to teeth.

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