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4 hours ago, copper123 said:

A Quarter sov

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nice quality 

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13 hours ago, DrLarry said:

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I don't see it either.

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it is interesting this thread on model pennies and half pennies I have a few a dozen or so some varieties mostly because they are listed in Rogers I suppose as they had full intrinsic value they are deemed to be more than toycoins ...it was a clever experiment really I am not sure why the mint did not run with it ...even Wyon (the elder I think) was impressed 

54 minutes ago, Peckris 2 said:

I don't see it either.

 

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15 hours ago, DrLarry said:

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yes will try again

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3 hours ago, copper123 said:

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they are  very different designs?  I don't know a great deal about these tokens .  Do we know if they were made by more than one company?  I know there is also a satirical version with Duke of Cumberland ? replaced by a monkey  

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D and Co's   I will list what I have and begin some discussion on a few variants that dont seem to be listed in Rogers.  

 

First this Gothic Sovereign Or half sov ...definitely is seems it is supposed to be a shield Sov of some kind and still has a lot of gilt I will try compare the shield with the other young head Half Sov and the Crown  and on the obverse I will compare the gothic head used for the Florin 

 

These all seem to be plain edged all 13 mm and 0.7 mm thick although this I will have to check more closely as some appear thicker 

 

The Gold Gothic .....is it a MULE of the florin?  why then is it finished in Gold ?

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The Half Crown  in Brass #443 in Rogers 

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the half Crown #444d the white Metal RRR*

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The Florin Four varieties of metaL HAVE BEEN USED #444 A TO D  THIS S THE SILVERED bRASS 

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THIS fLORIN IS THE wHITE METAL VERSION 444 D

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There is some compelling evidence for the company being German in the Shilling of this series .  It is hard to see in the images in Rogers for #442 if he just did not see this error in the lettering or we are dealing with another variety.  Either way he reads it as simply saying ONE SHILLING  in the two examples I have they read ONE SKILLING on the first the K seems to have been attempted to be corrected on the second the K is clearly just as it is .   

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this one is in white metal different to the one listed in Rogers #445 

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The six Pence #446 

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I seem to have two distinct varieties in design for the ONE PENNY 

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larger lettering and distinctively different ship  the date is different. Interestingly the anatomy varies between the two this one follows the mistake made by the Royal Mint engraving which attempts to put the trident in line with the elbow , the ship is badly modelled 

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the Penny 

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comparing the three Gothic heads 

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comparing the shields

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comparing the bun heads 

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to be honest the D & Co's toys are well made and show great detailing they sometime surpass Lauer in terms of the clarity of the engraving  (my opinion) really nice quality pieces.  I just wish we knew more about them.  Clearly there are new examples yet to be found and add to the list in Rogers please list any you might have I am sure we will find varieties too 

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the reverse of the penny for comparison 

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