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18 hours ago, DrLarry said:

It just arrived and no it is not there I have taken some pics and even with the token angled there is no trace of the Lauer.  Another anomaly ....makes t all the more interesting when we start talking to each other all the new things that come through .  I love collecting "normal" coins for the joy of the history for each year but when a topic is under researched it opens new interests for me.  The scientist in me starts looking for answers.  

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I've examined the images and I believe the LAUER is on the coin, very faint and very worn.

I've tried to both underline and circle the most visible portion, that of the LA of LAUER.

 

 

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3 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

I've examined the images and I believe the LAUER is on the coin, very faint and very worn.

I've tried to both underline and circle the most visible portion, that of the LA of LAUER.

 

 

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OK I'll take another look and play with reverse light and search harder.  I will also take some images of the wear on the whole coin it is not dramatically worn so perhaps there are other factors blocked die,  mistrike involved too. Thank you 

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3 hours ago, DrLarry said:

OK I'll take another look and play with reverse light and search harder.  I will also take some images of the wear on the whole coin it is not dramatically worn so perhaps there are other factors blocked die,  mistrike involved too. Thank you 

Blocked die is certainly a possibility.

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8 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Blocked die is certainly a possibility.

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I think the Lauer is closer to the beading and whilst I could see that part might be blocked each of the letters are individual so I would have thought something would have remained.  not sure will have to try do some more research 

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3 hours ago, DrLarry said:

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I think the Lauer is closer to the beading and whilst I could see that part might be blocked each of the letters are individual so I would have thought something would have remained.  not sure will have to try do some more research 

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Unless it's a trick of lighting and imaging and not really there; all that I think I see is a hint of the L & the A.

Possibly my line is angled incorrectly as all I can claim to see is 2 partial letters.

Of course there is always the possibility of a different die variety.

Unfortunately we may never be sure.

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15 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Unless it's a trick of lighting and imaging and not really there; all that I think I see is a hint of the L & the A.

Possibly my line is angled incorrectly as all I can claim to see is 2 partial letters.

Of course there is always the possibility of a different die variety.

Unfortunately we may never be sure.

I think the partial letters might be just metal patination , I am the last one to claim I can see a pattern having had severe pareidolia  a few years back that led to a most bizarre claim about missing images in coins...I will take some more images but I do think your line is off the Lauer is not quite in line with the lettering you can see.  I am afraid I cannot use photoshop well so cannot put a  transparent overlay .  I wish that I could as it often would be helpful .....  I have loaded some more below 

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heres another with no "lauer"

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4 hours ago, copper123 said:

heres another with no "lauer"

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well done ...then we can finish the year on a HIGH no Lauer 

 

is it the same date 1830?

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Have a great NEW YEARS EVE 

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1 hour ago, DrLarry said:

well done ...then we can finish the year on a HIGH no Lauer 

 

is it the same date 1830?

It was just a find from google so its not my coin , its a pretty good guess there are loads more around though.

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On 12/30/2022 at 2:10 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Blocked die is certainly a possibility.

Puts me in mind of the Latvian 2 Santimi with / without signature. I think they all display traces of the signature. 

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1 hour ago, mrbadexample said:

Puts me in mind of the Latvian 2 Santimi with / without signature. I think they all display traces of the signature. 

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Or the 1922 "Plain" US cent.

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17 hours ago, copper123 said:

It was just a find from google so its not my coin , its a pretty good guess there are loads more around though.

yes I agree I dont think they are too rare ....I have a few others  someplace "to Hannover" but not many 

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They are becomeing more collectable now than in the past - people realise that a great and interesting collection can be built up for a tiny amount of money - you try a few hundred quid on Victoria bun pennies and see the poor quality and low grade stuff you will have to put up with .

A few hundred pounds on to hanover tokens will buy you lots and lots , though I have noticed that a few more unusual pieces are fetching £20-£30 on ebay so there must be some demand for interesting pieces , this will only increase as more and more stuff sells on the bay.

By the way larry I do think your example has no "Lauer" but cannot be sure, so might have so I say 20/80 sure

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16 hours ago, copper123 said:

They are becomeing more collectable now than in the past - people realise that a great and interesting collection can be built up for a tiny amount of money - you try a few hundred quid on Victoria bun pennies and see the poor quality and low grade stuff you will have to put up with .

A few hundred pounds on to hanover tokens will buy you lots and lots , though I have noticed that a few more unusual pieces are fetching £20-£30 on ebay so there must be some demand for interesting pieces , this will only increase as more and more stuff sells on the bay.

By the way larry I do think your example has no "Lauer" but cannot be sure, so might have so I say 20/80 sure

I Must look out mine and take a better look at them.  The biggest issue with all these more fringe areas is the lack of any books at a reasonable price .  

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Bit of an update on the Hungarian series .   Rogers suggests that there are "at least one perhaps two sets produced " .  One date follows the example I listed before with the date of 1894  a 20 Kronen  one with the austrian reverse a 20 Filler and a One Filler .  The only image for the Hungarian set is the 1 Filler which Rogers had an example of.  I recently added the   Kronen but have since found three younger issues one in  1895 , 1900 and one dated 1907 .  These are listed on Numizmarket an Hungarian  seller eg. eBay item number:364096695516 who has given me permission to copy the images and to include them :  1907 issue 

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Hungary Continued :  10 Krona 

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Hungary 20 Filler dated 1894 

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10 Filler dated 1894 

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Hung 20 K.jpg the 1894 issue 0f the 20 KORONA 

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so it would seem then at least 4 issues as said in 1894  and 1895   then in 1900 and in 1907 the later two seem less well executed than the 19th C sets 

 

Many thanks 

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Picture 1 of 2

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I am beginning to think the  signed Lauer variety is less common  than the un Lauer 

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That might be true

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