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1949threepence

Cleaned or not cleaned

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This coin appeared on a facebook coin forum, and the enquirer wants to know if the coin has been cleaned, or not. I'm honestly not sure. Any opinions.

 

sometime cleaned rev.jpg

sometime cleaned obv.jpg

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Appears like old polishing and retoning.

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 Impossible to say, therefore the confident owner could say "not cleaned".

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Wear, secondary,  over toning (ie circulated, sat and toned, reentered circulation). IMO not cleaned though.

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Impossible to tell if worn, toned, cleaned and retoned or worn, toned, worn, retoned. In the absence of any tell-tell signs like directional hair lining on the high surfaces might as well believe the latter.

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Try dug up and crud removed.

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IMO its had a rub with some kind of olive oil / lubricant.

All the high points are much lighter and the colour not naturally dark , with the pinkish colour on the OBV that remains meaning it may of been done to re tone it.

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8 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

IMO its had a rub with some kind of olive oil / lubricant.

All the high points are much lighter and the colour not naturally dark , with the pinkish colour on the OBV that remains meaning it may of been done to re tone it.

That pinkish colour is a variation of digital colour - the obverse background (presumably the same as the reverse?) is noticeably more magenta than the reverse.

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1 hour ago, Peckris 2 said:

That pinkish colour is a variation of digital colour - the obverse background (presumably the same as the reverse?) is noticeably more magenta than the reverse.

Thanks Peck i didnt know that 🙂

Although a good sign of a coin being retoned quickly after being messed about with is the fields will be a lot darker (black ) and patches will be that similar kind of (pinkish ) colour on bronze.The more a coin has been rubbed / polished the harder it is for the oil to stick to the surface and this is more often on the highest points. 

IMO though from the photo its had some kind of lubricant on and been re toned..........Unless its the photo and in hand does not look anything like the picture at all :D

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Just having a look on the LCA website for the last twenty minutes at cleaned penny (pennies ) there are numerous examples that are the pinkish colour which they describe as cleaned and re toned or starting to re tone.

These have been cleaned as if LCA were not sure they would maybe of not mentioned anything and if the seller did not agree maybe would not of been put in the auction.

 

 

Edited by PWA 1967

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OK, thanks chaps. Some incredibly useful information above, which I've passed on to the enquirer.  

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