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1949threepence

1913 penny - Freeman 175 & 176

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8 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

The Copthorne one Mike i think would of needed to be seen in hand.I am pretty sure its LCA Lot 2210 GEF £150 +.

 

Yep, just compared side by side. 100% definitely the same coin, Pete. 

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9 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Yes when you start looking there are not many F176 although there is more than two sold at LCA.

Your Right Pete, I must have punch in 175 when I looked in on LCA,  and I only count pictured examples as the others on the site may be duplicated or incorrectly allocated .  Strange though that I have found  6 - F175s  and only  2 - F176s ? 

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I've now added F176 to my rarestpenny site to see what sort of population builds up. If anyone else has one please post or send me pictures.

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Mine hopefully will be coming up soon with Colin Cooke. I have only ever had one coin slabbed and that was a F175 which was top pop of 2 at the time, it was my spare which I hoped would get a better price as I wished to sell it. Under performed I must say, so much for slabbing.

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4 minutes ago, Gary D said:

Mine hopefully will be coming up soon with Colin Cooke. I have only ever had one coin slabbed and that was a F175 which was top pop of 2 at the time, it was my spare which I hoped would get a better price as I wished to sell it. Under performed I must say, so much for slabbing.

The slabbing does not change the coin Gary.when you bought it from the crocker sale you told cgs and they put a price of about the same value.As more were sold at higher prices they kept increasing it and is currently at £350 graded at 75.

Just putting it in a plastic slab confirmed what you wanted which was the grade and the fact it was problem free .

I am sure now perhaps more people are looking that your other one will do much better.

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4 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

The slabbing does not change the coin Gary.when you bought it from the crocker sale you told cgs and they put a price of about the same value.As more were sold at higher prices they kept increasing it and is currently at £350 graded at 75.

Just putting it in a plastic slab confirmed what you wanted which was the grade and the fact it was problem free .

I am sure now perhaps more people are looking that your other one will do much better.

Mine didn't come from crocker. Both came from ebay unidentified. I think the slabbed one sold for about £120.

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6 minutes ago, Gary D said:

Mine didn't come from crocker. Both came from ebay unidentified. I think the slabbed one sold for about £120.

Gary, were they identified by the e bay sellers as F176's, or did you alone discern the fact from the pics of apparently plain 1913 pennies?

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7 hours ago, Gary D said:

Mine didn't come from crocker. Both came from ebay unidentified. I think the slabbed one sold for about £120.

Sorry there was a big thread posted on here a few years ago. that confused me .

If you look on the TPG threads there is one called "I have gone and done it " that is about a F176......The last page 5.

The crocker one being the same one as was sold at LCA about three years later and then Copthorne.

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12 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

Gary, were they identified by the e bay sellers as F176's, or did you alone discern the fact from the pics of apparently plain 1913 pennies?

Not to worry, scrub that one Gary.

6 hours ago, PWA 1967 said:

Sorry there was a big thread posted on here a few years ago. that confused me .

If you look on the TPG threads there is one called "I have gone and done it " that is about a F176......The last page 5.

The crocker one being the same one as was sold at LCA about three years later and then Copthorne.

That's great Pete, and will help Richard ( @secret santa ) with his new rarest penny slot for the F176. A few new specimens on there - link to thread 

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5 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

A few new specimens on there - link to thread 

Unless I'm missing something, I think there's only one new specimen on this thread ?

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Yes looking back it was a 176 I had slabbed before putting it on ebay. I had a reserve of £180 which it didn't quite reach. I then offered it to the highest bidder at the reserve. They had a bit of a winge about reserves I assume because they hadn't got it for their maximum bit. Obviously didn't understand what a reserve was.

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29 minutes ago, secret santa said:

Unless I'm missing something, I think there's only one new specimen on this thread ?

There's davidrj's, which I see you've now got. But have you got the one posted on that thread by Gary on 25.4.14. I can't see that one. Maybe I'm overlooking it. 

So yes, two, as opposed to "a few". 

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54 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

There's davidrj's, which I see you've now got. But have you got the one posted on that thread by Gary on 25.4.14. I can't see that one. Maybe I'm overlooking it. 

So yes, two, as opposed to "a few". 

I had trouble picking that one up - when I clicked on it, I couldn't save the image but when I clicked on it again I could so I've now picked it up. Thanks Mike.

If GaryD and/or Davidrj would like me to attribute these coins to them, please let me know. I've just said "Held in a private collection" at the moment.

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1 hour ago, Gary D said:

Yes looking back it was a 176 I had slabbed before putting it on ebay. I had a reserve of £180 which it didn't quite reach. I then offered it to the highest bidder at the reserve. They had a bit of a winge about reserves I assume because they hadn't got it for their maximum bit. Obviously didn't understand what a reserve was.

Yes thats why i was getting confused , as you also do say in the first post that the coin came from the Crocker sale .

 

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6 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

Yes thats why i was getting confused , as you also do say in the first post that the coin came from the Crocker sale .

 

Can you still see the Crocker sale? Can't find it on Colin Cooke's site. :huh:

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8 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Can you still see the Crocker sale? Can't find it on Colin Cooke's site. :huh:

It's here Jon

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1 minute ago, 1949threepence said:

It's here Jon

Thanks Mike.

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Who graded the Crocker F175 as Fine then? :o

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33 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Who graded the Crocker F175 as Fine then? :o

I suppose either Lee or Neil at the time. But fine is way too optimistic for that coin.  

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When was the sale Mike? Some of those prices were incredible - £500 for the F164a that looks fire damaged or something? Someone must have really wanted that one. :o

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2 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

When was the sale Mike? Some of those prices were incredible - £500 for the F164a that looks fire damaged or something? Someone must have really wanted that one. :o

September 2009 Jon, so not that far off 10 years ago. 

£500 was a bit OTT for that one. I like the way they describe it as "buckled", like a bike wheel......or is it merely "out of true"?

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10 years ago the F164A was thought to be much rarer than it's proved to be, as quite a few have come to market in that time.

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Even so Richard, that one's a bit of a horror. 

I'm convinced that this is another.  

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