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8 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

I'd like a second opinion on what I believe to be another 1861 6 & b half penny. Although low grade, I think it can be identified. It is NOT an obverse 7.

It appears to have the die break above the R in REG as well as a bit more of the O in HONI SO. Additionally, although difficult to capture in an image, I think there is evidence of a double incuse line. All indicative of an obverse 6.

All comments appreciated.

Thank you

 

 

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Sorry, all.

I'm unable to edit, but I did intend to say Obverse 6, and reverse F as previously discussed...

Thank you

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10 minutes ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Thank you, I did mean 6 and F though...

Obviously a reverse F, was looking for confirmation on Obverse. Thank you for that.

Only checked the obverse. :lol:

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I knew what you meant.

I put a lot of faith in the REG F D colons as it's usually all I have to work with.

They are saying to me, obverse 6. Definitely not 7. And REG to far from circle to be a 4.

Re the flaw above the R in reg. If I'm looking at yours correctly, it appears to be above the hollow of the R whereas on mine and Bernie's it's above the leg.

For some reason the top leaves and the forehead are shouting 5 at me?

I see no reason why there shouldn't be a 5 + F out there.

I can fully understand the problems I present to these pages now.

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33 minutes ago, Zo Arms said:

I knew what you meant.

I put a lot of faith in the REG F D colons as it's usually all I have to work with.

They are saying to me, obverse 6. Definitely not 7. And REG to far from circle to be a 4.

Re the flaw above the R in reg. If I'm looking at yours correctly, it appears to be above the hollow of the R whereas on mine and Bernie's it's above the leg.

For some reason the top leaves and the forehead are shouting 5 at me?

I see no reason why there shouldn't be a 5 + F out there.

I can fully understand the problems I present to these pages now.

Hi Bob,

Thanks for the input.

Regarding the possibility of obverse 5, I dismissed that option because the coin in question does not have the scalloped top center leaf that I have seen on all obverse 5 specimens whether or not they have the indentation flaw on the forehead. Conversely, I have not seen that scalloped top center leaf on any other obverse other than an obverse 5.

Ergo, in my opinion,  it is not an obverse 5.

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1 hour ago, Zo Arms said:

Re the flaw above the R in reg. If I'm looking at yours correctly, it appears to be above the hollow of the R whereas on mine and Bernie's it's above the leg.

For some reason the top leaves and the forehead are shouting 5 at me?

Note to self: look harder. :lol: 

I thought the die crack above the R matched but can now see it's in a different place. I don't see a flaw in the forehead where I would expect to see one for obverse 5 though.

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37 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Note to self: look harder. :lol: 

I thought the die crack above the R matched but can now see it's in a different place. I don't see a flaw in the forehead where I would expect to see one for obverse 5 though.

Obverse 5 does not always display the flaw in the forehead, however every obverse 5 I have seen has the scalloped top center leaf, whereas I have never seen that top center scalloped leaf on any other obverse than on an obverse 5.

I would not necessarily use the die crack above the R as a determinant, however I believe that there is enough other evidence to confirm the obverse as an obverse 6.

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I only had a brief look but in my notes I had obverses 4 and 5 with the rotated D in F:D: and obverse 6 having the straight D in F:D: (from Dracott's articles I think).

I didn't look too closely at which obverse it actually was but the D looks a bit rotated to the right.

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F314 8+J I think?

 

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Reverse:

 

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Posted (edited)

Just a quick one. Views on this one please. Obverse 4 or 6.?

I'm thinking a 4. Don't think there's enough of the honi so O showing to be a 6 and REG is to close to the linear circle.

 

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Thanks for confirmation Bernie. I'll post the reverse when it arrives.

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Arrived this morning. Freeman 272. 4+F. R17. 

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