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The F over P from my F-282 (7 & g)

 

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On both of the previous overstrikes the underlying P is clear, albeit on the F-282, being more worn, it is less obvious.

I did have one or two dubious F/P's which were clearly flattened serifs upon closer examination. If I find them again or images, I'll post them for comparison.

 

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A lot of the over strikes on the wrong letter or number on the date seem to be were the wrong punch was used , as the person striking them forgot the die was in reverse.

This is exactly the same and the opposite letter is the P in penny ,so intitally struck with a P and then again with an F.This could cause a flaw or uneven letter as never going to be struck exactly the same as the first letter and can also look slightly different due to one letter / number being struck through the other.

Very similar to the 1858 F/B Copper penny ( B in Britanniar ) that is recorded.

Maybe 😀

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I'd like a little help with this one please. I think I'm correct with reverse F but can't make my mind up on the obverse.

Not much to go on I'm afraid. 4 or 6 ?

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Beyond my abilities I'm afraid. :unsure:

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Thanks Bernie.

Could I ask why you say 4?

Using London coins photos for Ob 4 / 6 and comparing with the legend on the RHS, I can make it either, depending on which photo I use.

I trust your judgement implicitly. Just curious.

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I've changed my mind Bob, I now believe that it's Obv 6 with rev F. The "O" of HONI SO does appear to show more of the "O" than obverse 4

These varieties are very difficult to identify in lower grades.

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2 hours ago, Bernie said:

I've changed my mind Bob, I now believe that it's Obv 6 with rev F. The "O" of HONI SO does appear to show more of the "O" than obverse 4

These varieties are very difficult to identify in lower grades.

Must admit that I was more swung towards a 6 but I haven't the experienced eyes to be certain on a worn coin such as this.

Any idea on the current population estimates? I'm sure it must have increased since Dracott's figure.

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6 hours ago, Bernie said:

I've changed my mind Bob, I now believe that it's Obv 6 with rev F. The "O" of HONI SO does appear to show more of the "O" than obverse 4

These varieties are very difficult to identify in lower grades.

Hi Bernie,

I tend to concur with you, both for the reason you stated and the fact that I think I can see double incuse lines on one of the leaves, which would indicate obverse 6 as oppose to obverse 4.

Of course, as you state it is very difficult to determine from worn specimens, if at all especially from an image.

I'll upload images of my 6 & F for comparison.

 

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15 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Hi Bernie,

I tend to concur with you, both for the reason you stated and the fact that I think I can see double incuse lines on one of the leaves, which would indicate obverse 6 as oppose to obverse 4.

Of course, as you state it is very difficult to determine from worn specimens, if at all especially from an image.

I'll upload images of my 6 & F for comparison.

 

Hello Gary & Bob,  Here is even more evidence that this is a 6+F !!!!!

Take a look at the die crack above R in REG.

Well done Bob, this will sit nicely with your 14+N !

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Thank you for your time on this Bernie. Conclusive proof. Is that your coin may I ask?

So, at least 3 known. Anyone else have one to add?

 

 

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Is the die crack through the R on the one in the slab? I can't quite make it out.

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I'd like a second opinion on what I believe to be another 1861 6 & b half penny. Although low grade, I think it can be identified. It is NOT an obverse 7.

It appears to have the die break above the R in REG as well as a bit more of the O in HONI SO. Additionally, although difficult to capture in an image, I think there is evidence of a double incuse line. All indicative of an obverse 6.

All comments appreciated.

Thank you

 

 

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7 hours ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

I'd like a second opinion on what I believe to be another 1861 6 & b half penny. Although low grade, I think it can be identified. It is NOT an obverse 7.

It appears to have the die break above the R in REG as well as a bit more of the O in HONI SO. Additionally, although difficult to capture in an image, I think there is evidence of a double incuse line. All indicative of an obverse 6.

All comments appreciated.

Thank you

 

I can't see any reason to disagree with your ID Gary. :)

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1 hour ago, mrbadexample said:

I can't see any reason to disagree with your ID Gary. :)

Thank you, I did mean 6 and F though...

Obviously a reverse F, was looking for confirmation on Obverse. Thank you for that.

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