Halfpenny ID check

[Martinminerva 265]

Fairly sure it's 15. But what date is it? That would help narrow it down...

[copper123 1,352]

On 4/12/2023 at 11:02 AM, DrLarry said:

Here is a new variety I'd bet none of us new about 

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/394561585577

 

GREAT BRITAIN UK 1862 HALF PENNY VARIETY" 8" in DATE IS TO RIGHT OF LIGHTHOUSE

 

I find it hard to think the 8 can ever get to the left 

 

Dianne abbott calculation maybe

[DrLarry 441]

On 5/30/2023 at 5:00 PM, copper123 said:

Dianne abbott calculation maybe

Yes quite possibly lol 

[Martinminerva 265]

On 2/17/2023 at 12:17 AM, Rob said:

I'm looking for a 8+I, 9+K and 12+L if anyone has anything available, as long as it's not a washer.

I have just listed on ebay an 1874 9+K, along with a few other rare date halfpennies.

They can be found at: https://www.ebay.co.uk/sch/i.html?item=285309790751&_ssn=1970kit&_sop=10

Maybe of interest to some forum members?

 

[Zo Arms 243]

I have a reasonably easy question for a change.

Generally speaking, how many coins would a halfpenny reverse die be capable of producing?

I'm curious about 2 of the 1861 reverse dies, namely E and F.

And as a quick aside, would the figure for an obverse die be similar?

Bob.

[Mr T 169]

Not sure - maybe the Royal Mint annual reports (now on their website and searchable) give some figures?

[PWA 1967 1,841]

Not the nicest looking Halfpenny but a hard one to find to find ,as been discussed on here before.

1956  F474  4 + C.

 

[DaveG38 385]

1 hour ago, PWA 1967 said:

Not the nicest looking Halfpenny but a hard one to find to find ,as been discussed on here before.

1956  F474  4 + C.

 

I'm still looking!!!

[Martinminerva 265]

44 minutes ago, DaveG38 said:

I'm still looking!!!

So am I !!

[Zo Arms 243]

21 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

So am I !!

And I. 

[Zo Arms 243]

Am I seeing an F here? 1861.

[Martinminerva 265]

Sure looks like it to me. Jolly good find!!

Edited July 28, 2023 by Martinminerva

[Peckris 2 2,044]

that's the FRITTER variety, only issued in Scotland...

[Bernie 188]

On 7/28/2023 at 9:24 PM, Zo Arms said:

Am I seeing an F here? 1861.

Looks like an E over B, to me. Never seen one of these before!

[Zo Arms 243]

I'm away from home tonight, but a shot of the full coin, that I have on my phone.

[Bruce 163]

3 hours ago, Zo Arms said:

I'm away from home tonight, but a shot of the full coin, that I have on my phone.

Interesting one, nice one found.

[Zo Arms 243]

Thoughts on this one please, if you will?

1* + A*

No tie knot, wide date.

[Zo Arms 243]

These are sellers photos.

[Zo Arms 243]

The seller provided 22 photos. The above 2 were enhanced to show the detail. This one is a true to life photo, which I think shows the lack of tie knot more clearly.

[copper123 1,352]

On 7/28/2023 at 10:18 PM, Peckris 2 said:

that's the FRITTER variety, only issued in Scotland...

With a deep fried mars bar?

[Zo Arms 243]

The above 1860 arrived today.

I'm fairly confident that it is 1* + A*. No tie knot and wide date.

The Dracott 2004 article lists this pairing as proof only known. His 2021 update merely says variety confirmed.

Opinions and comments welcome. I've probably got it wrong. 😁

[Paddy 1,543]

I usually rely on others to sort these out for me, but as no one seems to be replying, I will add my thoughts:

I think the 1* obverse is clear - the lack of knot with the beaded border is clear.

Not so sure about the reverse. The halfpenny website mentions A and A# , not A* - was it A# you meant? See https://halfpennyvarieties.wordpress.com/victoria-reverses/

A close up of the shield might help - looking for the extra incuse line for A rather than A#. Variations in the position of the 0 in the date are mentioned for both, so that alone is not an identifier. In any case the website suggests that in either case they are not that scarce.

Or maybe I have missed the point with the A*?

[Zo Arms 243]

9 minutes ago, Paddy said:

I usually rely on others to sort these out for me, but as no one seems to be replying, I will add my thoughts:

I think the 1* obverse is clear - the lack of knot with the beaded border is clear.

Not so sure about the reverse. The halfpenny website mentions A and A# , not A* - was it A# you meant? See https://halfpennyvarieties.wordpress.com/victoria-reverses/

A close up of the shield might help - looking for the extra incuse line for A rather than A#. Variations in the position of the 0 in the date are mentioned for both, so that alone is not an identifier. In any case the website suggests that in either case they are not that scarce.

Or maybe I have missed the point with the A*?

Thanks for the reply Paddy. I thought I was alone.

Reverse A* A# ( some use star, some hash) is the wider date spacing, most noticeable between the 6 and the 0.  On reverse A, the 6 and 0 are closer and the zero lower.

Another identifier for reverse A*# is the lack of flag pole on the ship, which this has (or hasn't).

The full reverse is shown in my post just before Copper 123 post, immediately above.

[Mr T 169]

I think it's A#? The date is wider and Britannia has short hair.

[Zo Arms 243]

4 hours ago, Mr T said:

I think it's A#? The date is wider and Britannia has short hair.

Thanks Tom and Paddy for confirming what I saw.

Dracott 2004. This pairing, proof only. 2021, variety confirmed. Would this be for the proof coin only, or has a circulation coin be found prior to mine?

I'm guessing mine is a circulation coin and not a poorly looked after proof.

Await Gary, Richard, Bernie and Martin's views.