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Shortcross Penny - double struck but who is it?

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This a long shot I suppose - this broken Shortcross penny was in the same lot as the farthing posted separately. It was fixed between two layers of selotape when I received it, making it completely unrecognisable. I have got the tape off by soaking in surgical spirit and I can now see the king's head on the obverse and what appears to be a hugely double struck reverse. I can make out some letters but not enough to guess at a moneyer. Anyone able to help? I can send full size images if that would help - these have been shrunk to get into the post.

Short Cross 1 Red.JPG

Short Cross 2 Red.JPG

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Am usually good with these but brockages are a different ball game i am afraid. I think i can make out LEM being the last letters of the moneyers name and ON CANT on the other half so it's definitely a Canterbury coin.  At a guess I'd go with Willem at Canterbury which would be a Henry III coin but that is a guess. 

I've not seen a brockage that bad before. 

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4 hours ago, Ukstu said:

Am usually good with these but brockages are a different ball game i am afraid. I think i can make out LEM being the last letters of the moneyers name and ON CANT on the other half so it's definitely a Canterbury coin.  At a guess I'd go with Willem at Canterbury which would be a Henry III coin but that is a guess. 

I've not seen a brockage that bad before. 

defo Henry III, that face is so distinctive, 

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1 minute ago, craigy said:

defo Henry III, that face is so distinctive, 

Thanks both for that - I will mark it up as Henry III Willem on Cant then. Once I have popped my clogs I wont mind if someone else decides I was wrong! :D

 

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I find it hard to tell them apart from the King John short cross pennies. (probably because I am a it of a noob when it comes to collecting hammered coins)

 

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I posted this one a while back.  Hope it is OK to bump it here. Thoughts on it appreciated. 

 

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45 minutes ago, DrP said:

I find it hard to tell them apart from the King John short cross pennies. (probably because I am a it of a noob when it comes to collecting hammered coins)

 

It takes a while to pick it up. You need a book really to progress with proper identification of short crosses. Over time it becomes second nature if you handle enough of them. 

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The word "Brockage" is mentioned above.

A true brockage has a normal impression of the die on one side, and and incuse impression of the same die on the other side.

This coin is not a brockage. Instead, it is double struck.

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7 hours ago, Guest guest 16 said:

The word "Brockage" is mentioned above.

A true brockage has a normal impression of the die on one side, and and incuse impression of the same die on the other side.

This coin is not a brockage. Instead, it is double struck.

Thanks. Duly noted. 👍

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