Beyond Bc.

[craigy 362]

A Thurrock type potin, i think these were the first coins to be struck in Britain, my first Iron Age coin from an unrecorded Roman villa site i discovered and detect, had plenty of late iron age/ early roman pottery so there was always the chance of some iron age metalwork ,  this type dates from around 150 Bc to 120,  A nice time of year to be out in the fields detecting, albeit a tad muddy, 

 

 

[Gaz T 130]

Fab find.

[Coinery 926]

Would these be struck, or just molten material dripped into water or onto a flat stone? Is there a consistent or recognisable design for this type of coin? I have no idea about then.

Great to have the beginning of it all in your hand I'll bet?

[jelida 1,196]

They were cast in strips in two piece clay moulds. They have a head on one side and charging bull on the other, and quality varies quite a lot. I have a lovely one that I found on a rally in Kent in the 90’s.

Jerry

[craigy 362]

1 hour ago, jelida said:

They were cast in strips in two piece clay moulds. They have a head on one side and charging bull on the other, and quality varies quite a lot. I have a lovely one that I found on a rally in Kent in the 90’s.

Jerry

yes the later ones are stylised, think the head is apollo  

[Descartes 148]

What a little gem!  another fantastic find.

[Ukstu 436]

Great find. ?

[davetmoneyer 99]

Interestingly I often wondered why the slower technology of making separate molds and casting when the much faster technique of striking was available Then I tride making a Thurrock style die set and blanks of potin ( high tin bronze) the first blank struck effectively destroyed the dieface as the potin seemingly shattered ( like sticking a glass blob) I then realised that the only way to use potin as a coinage metal was to cast the coin !

[davetmoneyer 99]

Striking not sticking ( damn predictive text)

 

[Coinery 926]

Really interesting! So glad I asked!

Many thanks, Chaps!

[Coinery 926]

10 hours ago, jelida said:

They were cast in strips in two piece clay moulds. They have a head on one side and charging bull on the other, and quality varies quite a lot. I have a lovely one that I found on a rally in Kent in the 90’s.

Jerry

Cheers, J, any pictures handy? I think I must have one of these at some point soon!

[Coinery 926]

3 hours ago, davetmoneyer said:

Interestingly I often wondered why the slower technology of making separate molds and casting when the much faster technique of striking was available Then I tride making a Thurrock style die set and blanks of potin ( high tin bronze) the first blank struck effectively destroyed the dieface as the potin seemingly shattered ( like sticking a glass blob) I then realised that the only way to use potin as a coinage metal was to cast the coin !

Is potin that much harder than silver then?

[Ukstu 436]

I've got a few early potins. Ones a Leuci and the others a Tricasses or Senones. They were one of the first coins I ever bought due to them being at the time not highly sought after. The one Craig's posted above looks similar to my Leuci. Head on one side with a boar on the reverse.

Edited November 12, 2017 by Ukstu

[Michael-Roo 777]

 

Beyond BC?

There are a number of objects around our house which fit the bill, but if we're talking coins I have a few Greek, Alexander the Great, Philip of Macedon etc. and also these: Dolphin money from the Black Sea area, 5th to 3rd century BC. They were cast on poles, attached in rows at the tail end (think sprouts in their natural state), then tapped off when cooled.

 

Edited November 12, 2017 by Michael-Roo

[Rob 2,996]

Here you go. Here's one with the sprues still on it

[Ukstu 436]

One of mine.

 

[craigy 362]

27 minutes ago, Rob said:

Here you go. Here's one with the sprues still on it

always wanted one of them

[Coinery 926]

2 hours ago, Rob said:

Here you go. Here's one with the sprues still on it

I'm guessing the sprues are ordinarily trimmed/filed and recycled? Must have been incredibly time consuming, and at a time when conventional dies were available? As Dave was saying...why?

[Coinery 926]

2 hours ago, Michael-Roo said:

 

Beyond BC?

There are a number of objects around our house which fit the bill, but if we're talking coins I have a few Greek, Alexander the Great, Philip of Macedon etc. and also these: Dolphin money from the Black Sea area, 5th to 3rd century BC. They were cast on poles, attached in rows at the tail end (think sprouts in their natural state), then tapped off when cooled.

 

They're great, never even heard of these before! Sprout sticks!  Brilliant...knew what you meant instantly!

[bagerap 706]

Bronze age ring money from a dig in Croatia.

[craigy 362]

On 11/12/2017 at 3:30 PM, davetmoneyer said:

Interestingly I often wondered why the slower technology of making separate molds and casting when the much faster technique of striking was available Then I tride making a Thurrock style die set and blanks of potin ( high tin bronze) the first blank struck effectively destroyed the dieface as the potin seemingly shattered ( like sticking a glass blob) I then realised that the only way to use potin as a coinage metal was to cast the coin !

interesting, while your here, is this a copy ? 

[davetmoneyer 99]

Hi Yes a proposed coin for the Wirral mint copied from an ilse of man penny, copied from an Irish copy which was copied from an English Longcross penny of Aethelread II.

Made to look barbourous deliberately. Die set made for a Re-enactment group situated around the Wirral area