1851 halfpenny N/N R/R both large over small

[zookeeperz 470]

1851 Half Penny Anyone know if this variety has been found before. I think the N's Have been struck over smaller N's but you only see the right upright ? The R is pretty much straight forward to see smaller R higher up above the large R. Thanks in advance

[Rob 2,996]

I think the Ns are inconclusive because there is no sign of the left hand foot. The underlying R is about 10% smaller in height than the other, so assuming the same font was used I would think there ought to be some trace of the underlying N other than the upright. Maybe someone has some close-ups of the appropriate farthing characters to see if the same punches are used?

I'm not aware of this variety having been recorded elsewhere.

[PWA 1967 1,839]

Although the pictures are not as conclusive as the blown up pictures of your own........

CGS have a variety described as ........1851-03 second R in brittaniar over thinner higher R.

I would assume that it must be the same variety.

Well spotted and a good find ,both the N just appear recut,although i dont look at half pennies and may be wrong 

Again it must be worth comparing / overlaying with a different R.

[Rob 2,996]

Is it possible to access their list of varieties, or do you have to be a member?

[PWA 1967 1,839]

3 hours ago, Rob said:

Is it possible to access their list of varieties, or do you have to be a member?

Rob there is not a list as such ,so yes you need to be able to access the site.

[Rob 2,996]

That's one way of ensuring varieties don't become popular then..........

[Colin G. 147]

In my opinion both are standard letters, they appear thinner because of the metal displacement when recut, it is very common to see this with underlying letters. I don't see how you are determining that the N's are smaller in size?

[cathrine 70]

The 1851 "no dots" halfpenny (P-1534) is much rarer than the 1851 "with dots" variety (P-1535). Since this major difference in die variety is not mentioned in the foregoing discussion, I assume that the recut letters referred to apply to the "with dots" die variety.

For the "no dots" variety, all specimens that I've ever seen are dated 1 over 1.

For the "with dots" variety, one has to bear in mind that re-punched letters or numerals are are common occurrences for all Victorian copper halfpennies.