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Rob

1848 Groat obverse G over sideways G

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G over sideways G on an 1848 groat obverse die. A quick perusal of past auctions came up with one other example of this obverse - DNW 107, lot 849, but that was paired with an 1848/6 die according to the description. So two new varieties unless anyone knows otherwise? Nick, Vicky?

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Gets a mention in the Coincraft catalogue, but doesn't distinguish reverse dies.

I myself have a couple of these, and have seen three more, and all were paired with the 1848 plain, SMALL date.

Haven't seen one paired with the large date and/or the overdate reverses. Does DNW not have a picture of the reverse die for their specimen?

 

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Have now found the one on the DNW archive, and post pics below.  This too is actually the small date reverse. It is not the overdate, but there is a trace of doubling at the top of the 8.  Checking out my own examples, they are all of the same reverse die, with the trace of doubling, so not a new variety but one that I have only seen recorded in Coincraft, and only a handful at that.

Perhaps now it should be recorded more mainstream??

 

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If it was a penny it would have been well known decades ago. Victorian groats don't float many boats.

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Perhaps this thread should be deleted given the evidence?

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14 minutes ago, Rob said:

Perhaps this thread should be deleted given the evidence?

I disagree! Given it is only recorded thus far in the Coincraft catalogue (and I don't think that has been printed for over a decade now!!), leaving it on here is a better way of recording it until it gets taken on board by eg. Spink, ESC, Collectors Coins of GB or wherever!

Good to spread knowledge!

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OK, haven't looked at mine recently (or even thought about it!). Will  have a look this evening...

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I have looked at all my 1848 groats (2 x regular date), a 48/6, a 48/7 and none have this "G over sideways G".

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