London Coins June Auction

[PWA 1967 1,840]

28 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Sorry Rob, yes I knew that. Just didn't understand Pete's reply - 'twas a bit cryptic.  The question I was asking was have LCA got the ID wrong on lot 3132? Looking at the ribbon I'd have said it was a 10 leaf, but they've got it listed as an 11.

dffthhgtyhjjjkk  .Sorry hope its now cryptic ....11 out.......10 down.

you will remember this Jon 

Yes they have it wrong.........10pts 

[Rob 2,996]

1 hour ago, secret santa said:

Does that beautiful but naughty Britannia coin have a Peck number ? And where can I get one ?

P995.

Just have to keep your eyes open. They do come up occasionally, but will cost because they are popular.

[mrbadexample 985]

1 minute ago, PWA 1967 said:

dffthhgtyhjjjkk  .Sorry hope its now cryptic ....11 out.......10 down.

you will remember this Jon 

Yes they have it wrong.........10pts 

Pete I've never forgotten it since you emailed me the photos.

But I tend to start doubting myself when I'm questioning what I'm seeing in an auction house listing.

[Rob 2,996]

Just now, mrbadexample said:

Pete I've never forgotten it since you emailed me the photos.

But I tend to start doubting myself when I'm questioning what I'm seeing in an auction house listing.

Why? You're human, they're human. Nobody has a monopoly on getting it right, nor on getting it wrong. That's why you have saleroom notices.

 

[PWA 1967 1,840]

Jon its nothing to do with coins.

Its because your old ,senile and going daft 

[jaggy 528]

2 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Pete I've never forgotten it since you emailed me the photos.

But I tend to start doubting myself when I'm questioning what I'm seeing in an auction house listing.

Which is why you need to look closely at the photo and make up your own mind. I am currently tracking a coin in another auction where they have missed a very important detail. Just hoping the other interested parties have not picked up on it.

[Rob 2,996]

Just now, PWA 1967 said:

Jon its nothing to do with coins.

Its because your old ,senile and going daft 

Umm. That should be you're, not your.

Spirit of Peck here..........

[mrbadexample 985]

1 minute ago, Rob said:

Why? You're human, they're human. Nobody has a monopoly on getting it right, nor on getting it wrong. That's why you have saleroom notices.

 

Because they're professionals so I expect them to get it right and not make basic errors.

[mrbadexample 985]

2 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

Jon its nothing to do with coins.

Its because your old ,senile and going daft 

I know, and I'm only half your age.

[PWA 1967 1,840]

1 minute ago, Rob said:

Umm. That should be you're, not your.

Spirit of Peck here..........

Rob i am all the above.

Latest certificate has proud of place.....one of my first.......MAD 

[Rob 2,996]

1 minute ago, mrbadexample said:

Because they're professionals so I expect them to get it right and not make basic errors.

Most of the time they do. Saleroom notices are usually no more than a handful on a total of a thousand or more lots. Given the extensive use of copy and paste, it's surprising there aren't more mistakes made.

[mrbadexample 985]

It gives me less confidence in bidding, especially given the number of lots without pictures. Presumably you can return items that have been incorrectly attributed, but what if you disagree with the grade?

[mrbadexample 985]

18 minutes ago, jaggy said:

Which is why you need to look closely at the photo and make up your own mind. I am currently tracking a coin in another auction where they have missed a very important detail. Just hoping the other interested parties have not picked up on it.

Fingers crossed for you! Look forward to you posting a triumphant result.

[Rob 2,996]

5 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

It gives me less confidence in bidding, especially given the number of lots without pictures. Presumably you can return items that have been incorrectly attributed, but what if you disagree with the grade?

Grade is an opinion, attribution is not, or at least shouldn't be.

You can argue the case if the grade is wildly out, but half a grade either way, not a chance.

[PWA 1967 1,840]

6 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

It gives me less confidence in bidding, especially given the number of lots without pictures. Presumably you can return items that have been incorrectly attributed, but what if you disagree with the grade?

Jon.... how can you disagree with the grade 

Its an auction and thats why you bid or dont.

In fairness to LCA a lot are photographed or available to view at a show 

If they are cheap just take your chance or look at something next time.

[Rob 2,996]

Golden rule is 'If in doubt, leave it out'. That applies to all walks of life, coin purchases included.

[mrbadexample 985]

Just now, PWA 1967 said:

Jon.... how can you disagree with the grade 

Just hypothetical Pete. There are a couple of lots that interest me but have no photos. I am therefore entirely reliant on the accuracy of LCA's description as I cannot make the trip to look at these. This makes me a little uncomfortable, especially as I've not successfully bought from them before. Do you find that they are usually reliable?

 

[PWA 1967 1,840]

If your not sure .....and the coin is not scarce leave it.

However if its a copper penny and i have about fifteen in the sale ......put a good few quid on 

[Bronze & Copper Collector 401]

34 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Because they're professionals so I expect them to get it right and not make basic errors.

Like PCGS, NGC, etc?????

[mrbadexample 985]

3 minutes ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

Like PCGS, NGC, etc?????

Yes. And CGS (UIN 26554 - another "11 leaf" that's actually a 10). 

[PWA 1967 1,840]

Just now, mrbadexample said:

Yes. And CGS (UIN 26554 - another "11 leaf" that's actually a 10). 

CGS ......BOOOOOOOOOOO.

Get them told JON  

[mrbadexample 985]

7 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

CGS ......BOOOOOOOOOOO.

Get them told JON  

It's just not good enough, is it Pete?

[alfnail 756]

Does this help clarify!?

[Paulus 1,942]

Very good!

[1949threepence 3,366]

2 hours ago, mrbadexample said:

Just hypothetical Pete. There are a couple of lots that interest me but have no photos. I am therefore entirely reliant on the accuracy of LCA's description as I cannot make the trip to look at these. This makes me a little uncomfortable, especially as I've not successfully bought from them before. Do you find that they are usually reliable?

 

Jon, I have to say that LCA tend to be quite conservative in their grading, such that - if anything - they undergrade.