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1909 DOT Penny Variants

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I'm not sure if this has been posted, I couldn't find anything...

I just found my 3rd 1909 DOT Penny, however the dot is in a different location.... Slightly lower in the same basic area....

Has anyone made note of this before????

Thanks,

Gary

 

 

Images as follows:

1909 DOT Specimen 1

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1909 DOT Specimen 2

 

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1909 DOT Specimen 3  Image 1

 

 

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1909 DOT Specimen 3  Image 2

 

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Hi .all the dot 1909s I have seen are of the speciman 1 type . I notice that its a different colour, which makes my wonder if like me on one of my pennies, the dot turns out to be a spot of weld on the coin. it would by a strange coincidence for a dot to be so close to the known dot position on the same date of penny.  my one is below .   Terry

1909 dot after N in ONE [ex rare] terrys.JPG

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I think the difference in color is a trick of the lighting..

Under direct examination it is the same color as the coin.

There is a spot of verdigris on the dot.

I tried to scrape the dot off with my fingernail to no avail.

It also a appears as a perfect dot. I would not expect a drop from welding to be so symmetrical...

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The dot flaws I've seen on this year are also all in the same place as the first example, as is my own. The specimens 1 + 2 of your photos look like the same flaw to me, with a circle encompassing it and also the same damage to the teeth above it albeit more worn on the second specimen.

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Gary, if I were offered either of your specimens 2 or 3 I don't I'd accept them as dot varieties from those pictures. Maybe they look different in hand ?

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Thankd for your comments Richard..

Specimen 2 is well worn but clearer on direct examination. I'm a terrible photographer...

I'm sure of 1 & 2... 3 is what got me curious. . Nothing strikes me as wrong with the coin, just that the dot is not where it "belongs"...  which is why I was asking if there were any other known variants as #3...

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Gary, I have handled only 2 1909 dot specimens and they were both similar to your Specimen 1. However I must also highlight that I have come across many 1897 dot specimens. In most cases the dots are small specs almost between the O and N. However I have noticed that on some specimens the flaw is quite large (as the dot grows in size the positioning also moves closer to the top of O)

 

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I agree with the 1897's..  I believe I had posted them before. .

I have a lightish dot, a heavy dot, and a 3rd with a die crack extending from/through the dot..

Similarly, I have the usual 1946 dot as well as one that has a comet shaped die crack...

 

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1 hour ago, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

I think the difference in color is a trick of the lighting..

Under direct examination it is the same color as the coin.

There is a spot of verdigris on the dot.

I tried to scrape the dot off with my fingernail to no avail.

It also a appears as a perfect dot. I would not expect a drop from welding to be so symmetrical...

 

Terry and BCC, Here is one that I found that is just like Terry's. A little worn, but still there! :)

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The examples I have seen are all positioned as my specimens 1&2...

I had never seen one positioned as my specimen 3.....

 

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To me, who also has only seen a couple of No1 the third one just doesn't look right somehow. The edge of the dot looks to sharp, as if is a foreign body that has been pressed into the surface.

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On 4/26/2016 at 6:02 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

I'm not sure if this has been posted, I couldn't find anything...

I just found my 3rd 1909 DOT Penny, however the dot is in a different location.... Slightly lower in the same basic area....

Has anyone made note of this before????

Thanks,

Gary

 

 

Images as follows:

1909 DOT Specimen 1

1909%20dot%20specimen%2001.jpg

 

 

1909 DOT Specimen 2

 

1909%20dot%20specimen%2002.jpg

 

 

1909 DOT Specimen 3  Image 1

 

 

1909%20dot%20specimen%2003.jpg

 

1909 DOT Specimen 3  Image 2

 

IMG_5783%20%20%20CLOSE-UP.jpg

 

 

 

Thought that this 1909 dot was close to specimen 3 but not so sure, now that I can see them both together.

Specimen 4.........?

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Unfortunately, those photographs are covered by a horrendous PhotoFuckit logo.

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On my last post, the first three were Gary's. The last is mine. Strange. I can see them all clearly on my phone.

Here are my three offerings. Interestingly, on the first photo, there is a dot in the accepted position, next to the E.

That's if the photos appear.

Bob.

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Sorry, my reply was ambiguous. I meant to say that the photos were there, but the important part was covered over with the orrible logo.

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