Brass 3D's Wanted

[The Coinery 32]

I am looking for a Brass 3D 1954 VIP Proof.

I would look at any grade.

Please get in touch.

Edited April 26, 2016 by The Coinery
I copy / pasted wrong info

[Geordie582 18]

Tried to see  the pics in your link and was unsuccessful. Tried also to 'view in another tab' and got the dreaded Error 403 - Forbidden!!

[The Coinery 32]

PM me your email addy and I will send them to you.

Regards

Guy

[1949threepence 3,366]

Guy, that's quite a specialist ask. To be absolutely honest I didn't even know there were any 1954 VIP proof threepences. I know there were a few 1953 ones.

Having shown up my ignorance, I would love to see a pic of one.

 

[The Coinery 32]

34 minutes ago, 1949threepence said:

Guy, that's quite a specialist ask. To be absolutely honest I didn't even know there were any 1954 VIP proof threepences. I know there were a few 1953 ones.

Having shown up my ignorance, I would love to see a pic of one.

 

Unfortunately we only have a MAC at home which is to make me learn how to use it and as yet I cannot copy/paste photos.

The list below are the Brass 3D's I have managed so far - No doubt there as many more.

I will attached photos of the 54 VIP P when I go into work

B3.E8.1936.01
The Coinery	B3.G6.1937.01	88	0000464
The Coinery	B3.G6.1937.02	95	0012881
The Coinery	B3.G6.1937.03	85	0036424
The Coinery	B3.G6.1938.01	85	0001858
The Coinery	B3.G6.1939.01	82	0007084
The Coinery	B3.G6.1940.01	82	0007085
The Coinery	B3.G6.1941.01	90	0000465
The Coinery	B3.G6.1941.03	85	0007086
The Coinery	B3.G6.1942.01	85	0007087
The Coinery	B3.G6.1943.01	88	0004358
The Coinery	B3.G6.1944.01	85	0008185
The Coinery	B3.G6.1945.01	85	0007090
The Coinery	B3.G6.1946.01	80	0007091
The Coinery	B3.G6.1946.02	88	0014060
The Coinery	B3.G6.1948.01	88	0000470
The Coinery	B3.G6.1948.02	82	0007092
The Coinery	B3.G6.1949.01	80	0007093
The Coinery	B3.G6.1949.03	80	0036185
The Coinery	B3.G6.1950.01	82	0006374
The Coinery	B3.G6.1950.02	93	0014407
The Coinery	B3.G6.1951.01	80	0007667
The Coinery	B3.G6.1951.02	90	0010218
The Coinery	B3.G6.1952.01	85	0020289
The Coinery	B3.E2.1953.01	88	0000472
The Coinery	B3.E2.1953.02	85	0010220
The Coinery	B3.E2.1953.03	91	0003157
The Coinery	B3.E2.1953.04	88	0035686
The Coinery	B3.E2.1954.01	85	0000473
	B3.E2.1954.02
The Coinery	B3.E2.1955.01	85	0000474
The Coinery	B3.E2.1956.01	82	0010224
The Coinery	B3.E2.1957.01	85	0000476
The Coinery	B3.E2.1958.01	88	0000477
The Coinery	B3.E2.1959.01	85	0000478
The Coinery	B3.E2.1960.01	88	0017273
The Coinery	B3.E2.1961.01	88	0000480
The Coinery	B3.E2.1962.01	85	0000481
The Coinery	B3.E2.1963.01	88	0000482
The Coinery	B3.E2.1964.01	82	0010232
The Coinery	B3.E2.1965.01	88	0007109
The Coinery	B3.E2.1966.01	88	0000485
The Coinery	B3.E2.1967.01	85	0035340
The Coinery	B3.E2.1970.01	95	0033190

[Rob 2,996]

If they made proofs that year and a brass 3d was normally issued, there will be a VIP proof version. My type example is a 1960. It's just like a normal coin except for the fields and sharper detail/edge/rims

As someone unable to benefit from CGS images, what is the 1936? I assume not either Ed. VIII as they are dated 1937

Edited April 30, 2016 by Rob

[Paulus 1,942]

This is the CGS 1936 brass threepence

[Rob 2,996]

thanks

 

[mrbadexample 985]

Ok, who's going to tell me what a VIP proof is? Presumably different to a "normal" proof? 

Edited April 30, 2016 by mrbadexample

[Paulus 1,942]

39 minutes ago, mrbadexample said:

Ok, who's going to tell me what a VIP proof is? Presumably different to a "normal" proof? 

It's very important

[Nordle11 564]

 

maybe extra die polishing and/or more strikes? Not too sure though

[mrbadexample 985]

I think Paulus has nailed it.

 

[Rob 2,996]

OK, not for the first time. Left to right - currency, 1953 set for the general populace, 1958 VIP

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[mrbadexample 985]

So is it the frosted finish to the raised parts of the design that makes it VIP then?

[Rob 2,996]

Basically, VIP proofs were produced in very limited numbers for specific people and to a higher standard than the regular proof sets for general distribution. Some of these are seriously rare, others less so, though no accurate population statistics have ever been disclosed by the RM. For years other than the general issues you are very unlikely to encounter them. They stand out like a sore thumb with the frosted detail.

[copper123 1,352]

Less than 10 exist for most years

[Prax 80]

On 30/04/2016 at 6:25 PM, mrbadexample said:

Ok, who's going to tell me what a VIP proof is? Presumably different to a "normal" proof? 

They generally have a much better finish. Another thing with most VIP proofs (not all VIP proofs) is that they are made from sandblasted dies this gives the coins a Matt finish, which shows the coin's details in much lucid fashion. You might want to compare the 1953 VIP proofs to normal 1953 proofs to see the difference. I would recommend looking at the 1953 (because this is one year for which all strikes are fairly easy to obtain and compare) hapenny and six pence coins. Its best to see a few of these in hand as it helps you identify a strike accurately. On the 1953 proofs look at the bridge of the nose on the obverses and you will notice far more detail on the VIP proofs. However kindly note the most of the 1953 VIP proofs are not struck from sand blasted dies. Here's one that was http://londoncoins.co.uk/img.php?a=146&l=3414&f=o&s=l. Some of the VIP proofs also came in specially designed boxes.

Based on the strike you can (broadly) classify coins as

• currency issues
• trial strikes
• specimen strikes
• proofs
• VIP proofs
• Matte proofs
• Patterns ? (possibly not but there are some 1860 beaded border pennies that I would add to the patterns lsit)

Edited May 1, 2016 by Prax

[IanB 175]

What is a Business Strike 1937 Penny? its mentioned in David Groom's book page 74

[Prax 80]

I suppose another word for currency issue. 

[VickySilver 775]

However Bull in ESC has it wrong with several issues as on "non-standard" year proofs, there is not discernible or readily separable differences between Record and VIP record proofs & some of the listings from 1942-44 have mattes listed as being struck, when in fact as best I can determine and has been confirmed by late milled experts they were not

 As far as the "standard" years of proofs (i.e. 1937, 1950, 1951, 1953) there are some proofs more equal than others we might say. Whether these are early strikes or had special care taken no doubt will continue to be a source of argument; I find it ludicrous to attempt to find the  line on coins like the 1937 proof crown & therefore have not bothered to get a so-called VIP, settling for an above average proof specimen with "cameo" contrast to G6 bust and the reverse heraldic devices.

 

Prax, perhaps you wrote in error about the sandblast bit as these are not a standard of the Record coins but rather of the matte specimens (of which of course there are 1953 specimens in all types as you seem to point out).

 

My recall is that Norweb had a 1954 Record proof set that did include the 3d but will have to check. Like Rob I have only the 1960 3d in Record proof as my proofs are of earlier eras.

 

As a PS, the RM seemingly took liberties or more likely allowed for relatively poor quality control in the 1950s and especially the 1960s and so the crowns have all sorts of edge errors, rotational & other issues that may or may not have been intentional or just plain sloppy. And so I did let the plain edge 1951 pass me by at 3600+ quid.

Edited May 6, 2016 by VickySilver