Sorry to bore you all again - grading

[Mynki 23]

Can I ask your opinion on this coin :-

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Florin-1849-Uncirculated-6377-/161943088766

 

What do you all think, grade wise?

 

Thanks in advance.

[GateGateGo 8]

Not a boring question at all, Mynki - we all have to come to terms with the 'grading question'.

Now, I'm more or less a complete newbie but comparing the strike & detail remaining against Rob's similar 1852 Florin (www.rpcoins.co.uk), I'd say this was more EF / gEF, although I may be dead wrong! (There may, for instance, be known issues with the '49 that I'm unaware of which would influence the grade).

For what it's worth, I think it's a pretty coin (a little too 'busy' for my taste), but my eye keeps getting drawn to the scar on the obverse. I guess, as with most things, it's all subjective but that's my two penneth'.

 

 

[IanB 175]

It might just be eyes but the pictures look more like a drawing rather than a photo, maybe photoshop?

[GateGateGo 8]

They look un - enhanced to me, it's a combination of how they've been lit along with how both your eyes and your monitor resolve such high magnification.

[1949threepence 3,366]

9 hours ago, Mynki said:

Can I ask your opinion on this coin :-

 

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Victoria-Florin-1849-Uncirculated-6377-/161943088766

 

What do you all think, grade wise?

 

Thanks in advance.

I'd go for GEF/UNC - disappointing carbon spot in the O of FLORIN.

Nice coin generally, though 

 

[Mr T 169]

I would say UNC.

[Paulus 1,942]

I would definitely NOT say UNC, GEF overall for me

[azda 973]

I'd also say it wasn't UNC. The Thistle on the REV has wear for a start plus the OBV has far too many contact marks.. GEF or slightly better for me.

[mike 5]

I agree with Azda, too many contact marks on the obverse to call this coin UNC. For comparison I have attached picture of truly uncirculated piece.

[Coinery 926]

Falling clearly short of UNC for me too! Bag marked and over exposed, preventing a good assessment of any lustre (if any)!

[Peter 615]

As stated above there are too many things going wrong.

Shame really...no cigar on this one.

[Mynki 23]

Thanks for all the feedback.

 

Any opinions on this coin?

 

[Rob 2,996]

Looks unc and is the best date, but it also requires sunglasses. It looks un-naturally bright.

[Mynki 23]

19 minutes ago, Rob said:

Looks unc and is the best date, but it also requires sunglasses. It looks un-naturally bright.

Indeed, I'm thinking / hoping that's due to poor photography (not my pics) rather than being cleaned.

[Paulus 1,942]

There seem to be so many of these about, that may have had a quick (or long) dip, the seller believing it will improve them / help them sell. To me it's just a warning sign when a 100+ year old silver coin is very bright and shows no toning (I happen to like natural toning)

[VickySilver 775]

Dippity dip on the last. I really like the first coin's reverse but as has been stated, lots of bag chatter on the obv. That would probably go 55 at the TPGs...

[Nordle11 564]

Haha, bag chatter, what great term for it  

[VickySilver 775]

Yes, bit of clanky conversation between the occupants! Never quite sure how this tends to concentrate on the obverse but guess the rims are not protecting...

[PWA 1967 1,839]

Vicky is the expert on these so 55 and dippity dip sounds spot on .

 

[PWA 1967 1,839]

Please note the lots of bags of Chatter on the obverse also as vicky mentions.

[Mynki 23]

Thanks for all the feedback. I ended up buying a different godless florin in the end.

[PWA 1967 1,839]

Hopefully when you get it slabbed it will be a good one.

[Mynki 23]

6 minutes ago, PWA 1967 said:

Hopefully when you get it slabbed it will be a good one.

It's already slabbed by CGS.@ 78  There's a pic in my other thread.

[hazelman 44]

UNC - nice coin

The 1849 GEF+

[Mynki 23]

OK, first of all I don't own this coin, but I did take the pics. The red marks appear to be miniscule fibres. At the Wakefield coin fair, one of the official CGS grading chaps had a look and offered his unofficial opinion on grade, I have to stress he did say it needed to be scored by three graders and so this was only his opinion. Anyone care to guess the magic number he suggested?