Patern farthing on ebay

[copper123 1,352]

Have a look at this coin 

 

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Seller assumes all responsibility for this listing.

Looks really strange to me , like its a forgery , well overpriced as well so I am certain nobody would take a chance on it .

There again you never know

[Coppers 57]

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[bagerap 706]

Surfaces look cast to me.

[Rob 3,002]

Oh dear, that looks like a nasty surprise in the making.

[Michael-Roo 777]

Definitely cast.

[Paulus 1,942]

There'll be tears before bedtime ...

[pies 33]

or soon after postie delivers, so sad its a dealer too

[copper123 1,352]

4 hours ago, Coppers said:

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Beats me how some people make a living off selling coins when they fail to spot a  obvious fake like this

[copper123 1,352]

he is on the third listing of the coin so looks like people have got the idea that there is something wrong with it

[Rob 3,002]

Strange contact details. cmci.org.uk suggests a government or semi-official body doesn't it? Why this as the contact details when the vendor's name is Three Counties Coins Ltd. Surely an email address closer to the company name would be expected.

518 Hamilton House is a large tower block split into offices, so suggests a permanent presence. Limited company suggests respectability. CMCI searches bring up Culture, Media & Creative Industries, but there is no 'org' with this name.

Further digging has come up with the following:

Three Counties Coins Ltd was founded on 03 Sep 2013 and has its registered office in Herts. The organisation's status is listed as "Proposal to Strike Off" and it currently has one director. The company's first director was Mrs Vicky Ilsley. Three Counties Coins Ltd does not have any subsidiaries. The first set of accounts must be made up within 18 months of incorporation and filed within 9 months. They are 6 months overdue (for which reason is likely to be the proposal to strike off).

The name Ilsley is one that older members will remember as Dolphin Coins, which may give a clue as the email address is dolphin@cmci.org.uk, though the person listed as heading the company is John Lardner when there was a change in director in July 2014. There was also a change of address from Burnley to Hemel, which may have been related to incorporation as a search for this company also gives Whalley Swarbrick Ltd in Preston (they are auditors). In July they also filed a SAIL address with Companies House, so the director records are held off the registered address, which incidentally doesn't match the one given on eBay.

I will not be looking to buy from this vendor.

[copper123 1,352]

13 hours ago, Rob said:

Strange contact details. cmci.org.uk suggests a government or semi-official body doesn't it? Why this as the contact details when the vendor's name is Three Counties Coins Ltd. Surely an email address closer to the company name would be expected.

518 Hamilton House is a large tower block split into offices, so suggests a permanent presence. Limited company suggests respectability. CMCI searches bring up Culture, Media & Creative Industries, but there is no 'org' with this name.

Further digging has come up with the following:

Three Counties Coins Ltd was founded on 03 Sep 2013 and has its registered office in Herts. The organisation's status is listed as "Proposal to Strike Off" and it currently has one director. The company's first director was Mrs Vicky Ilsley. Three Counties Coins Ltd does not have any subsidiaries. The first set of accounts must be made up within 18 months of incorporation and filed within 9 months. They are 6 months overdue (for which reason is likely to be the proposal to strike off).

The name Ilsley is one that older members will remember as Dolphin Coins, which may give a clue as the email address is dolphin@cmci.org.uk, though the person listed as heading the company is John Lardner when there was a change in director in July 2014. There was also a change of address from Burnley to Hemel, which may have been related to incorporation as a search for this company also gives Whalley Swarbrick Ltd in Preston (they are auditors). In July they also filed a SAIL address with Companies House, so the director records are held off the registered address, which incidentally doesn't match the one given on eBay.

I will not be looking to buy from this vendor.

very wize and great digging info .

Even though we know these charlatans will be gone in a couple of years -its the damaged collectors they leave behind that are the unlucky ones

[copper123 1,352]

The anne copper farthing that had traces of gilt and was "Ex heritage" looked like a cast contemp forgery as well - it at least fetched a good price though I am glad it was not me that bought it

[copper123 1,352]

That farthing forgery keeps on being relisted - looks like for once the fake pedlers are finding less and less suckers want to buy their goods