shilling over date?

[Debbie 58]

Good morning gentlemen. So I've got this coin (and it's not been engraved!)

I just wanted to run this by you please? Is this a Davis 9 over 6 /8/ 9 or something different? The surface looks slightly odd in the picture, but looks genuine in hand to me.

Thanks in advance.

[jelida 1,196]

9 over 9, I would have said.

Jerry

[Debbie 58]

Thanks Jerry. It just made me think when I saw this. Is a 9/6 really that desirable?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/400806398506?_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649&ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT

[Coinery 926]

I'd say 9/9 too, Debbie!

[drakesterling 0]

Last year, I purchased this coin here (link below) described as "9 over inverted 6".

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/29769125

Up until now, it was the only 1819 shilling with this kind of overdate I've seen. Are overdate varieties such as these popular in the UK?

Eric Eigner

[declanwmagee 122]

I get a "Not found in the database" message for that certificate number, Eric.

[Paulus 1,942]

Last year, I purchased this coin here (link below) described as "9 over inverted 6".

http://www.pcgs.com/cert/29769125

Up until now, it was the only 1819 shilling with this kind of overdate I've seen. Are overdate varieties such as these popular in the UK?

Eric Eigner

Works for me Drake, but it is very clearly another 1819/9 as far as I can see, can anyone else access Drake's link?

In fact, it is SO clearly an 1819/9 (to my eyes) that I can only imagine it was a typo by someone at PCGS! Here is a close-up from the PCGS database pic

Edited October 30, 2015 by Paulus

[copper123 1,352]

9/9 has to be wonderful though very clear

Edited October 30, 2015 by copper123

[Bronze & Copper Collector 401]

IMHO an extraordinarily clear and distinct 9/9.

[Rob 2,996]

Debbie, I think 9/9 too.

Eric. There is nothing to suggest a 9 over 6. If 9 over 6 there would have to be an arch representing the top of the 6 loop, but all I see is the bottom of a loop. i.e. 9 over 9 as has already been said. Whether it was someone at the PCGS office having a bad day, or them relying on what they have been told, it's clearly wrong.

[jelida 1,196]

An ' inverted 6' would look a lot like a 9, but an actual 9 would be so much more likely. Is there any difference in the shape of the digit that would cause them to deduce that it is an 'inverted 6'?

Jerry

[Rob 2,996]

Sorry, I must read all the description. Didn't see the 'inverted' bit. There is a slight variation in 6 punches, but nothing that stands out as being markedly different from a 9. I would be surprised if they had distinct punches for the two. I don't have many images of 9s, but all the 6s and 9s I have fall into one of the attached. The 3rd 6 might possibly be over a corrected 8 given the shape.

Given there are several punches used and that a 6 is an inverted 9 or vice-versa, I can't see how you would say one was a 6 as opposed to a 9. It is possible that more punches were used as a 6 than as a 9 given the prolific output of the new coinage, but that doesn't make them specifically 6s. Alternatively, you could take the view that all 1816s are struck as 1819s in error.

[Coinery 926]

Yes, I can see that now, too! ? An inverted 6 corrected in error by an inverted 6! Love coins!

[Paulus 1,942]

I suspect my 1666 Crown is the ultra rare "3 inverted 9s error" - I have submitted it to PCGS for their confirmation

[Peter 615]

I suspect my 1666 Crown is the ultra rare "3 inverted 9s error" - I have submitted it to PCGS for their confirmation

Good luck Paulus

My fingers are X for you.

[drakesterling 0]

An ' inverted 6' would look a lot like a 9, but an actual 9 would be so much more likely. Is there any difference in the shape of the digit that would cause them to deduce that it is an 'inverted 6'?

Jerry

I agree, Rob and Jerry. If you hear clopping, assume it's a horse not a zebra. I'm not sure why it was assumed to be an inverted 6 rather than a more obvious 9. I'll have to dig out the coin and take a closer look to see if there is any evidence to suggest that it is an upside-down 6.

[thomaspatton 0]

On 10/27/2015 at 6:01 AM, Debbie said:

Good morning gentlemen. So I've got this coin (and it's not been engraved!)

I just wanted to run this by you please? Is this a Davis 9 over 6 /8/ 9 or something different? The surface looks slightly odd in the picture, but looks genuine in hand to me.

Thanks in advance.

i'd pay $30 for it!