1841 half crown help please

[Stuntman 264]

's fair enough

Colin Cooke had an 1841 Halfcrown up for sale earlier this year - graded as EF, looked pretty nice from their pictures, and was up at £5500.

[DaveG38 385]

I bought one about 6 months ago for £1800 - I'd say mine was a little poorer than this one, maybe NVF overall.

Edited October 19, 2015 by DaveG38

[VickySilver 775]

CC's was better than this one, but much of the detail on this specimen is rather sharp. Definitely better than VF, but not EF overall with the unfortunate rim dings - a better picture always nice but I'd stick my neck out to GVF.

The thing is, Brit milled coins of this vintage seem to be pulled a bit by that American phenomenon whereby just a bit of grade or toning improvement can occasionally translate to multiples in value increase. This date seems to be all over the map in sales as far as prices as with the higher values given in catalogues and the Auction sales prices, more seem to emerge from the recesses. Very nice ones as well - check the Heritage specimen in MS64 that recently sold....

[PWA 1967 1,841]

Colin cooke sold a mint one last year for £10,000.00.

[AdamCurtis 0]

Just a quick update guys. I haven't sent the coin off yet but I took it to a coin dealer who specialises in 1800-1850 English coins. He weighed and examined it and said it's definitely real and above fine quality. I'm apparently very lucky

[Paulus 1,942]

Great news Adam! You're in for a long wait if you're sending it to CGS I think, previously my coins have been returned in 4-5 weeks, but this time round they haven't even reached the first stage in the process, after 6 weeks ...

[PWA 1967 1,841]

Thats a long time Paulus to wait six weeks without them even starting.

[Paulus 1,942]

I think they have had a lot of consignments recently, judging by browsing through the most recent UINs. I'm guessing a significant number which have been fast tracked too. Looks like they have been grading a bunch of 2015 £100 coins ahead of others (UIN 36800 for example).

They state up to 90 days so they are nowhere near that yet, but it has never taken anything like that long before (for me) ...

[azda 973]

Just a quick update guys. I haven't sent the coin off yet but I took it to a coin dealer who specialises in 1800-1850 English coins. He weighed and examined it and said it's definitely real and above fine quality. I'm apparently very lucky

It's Most definately better than fine, it's VF and perhaps more.

[Paulus 1,942]

Just a quick update guys. I haven't sent the coin off yet but I took it to a coin dealer who specialises in 1800-1850 English coins. He weighed and examined it and said it's definitely real and above fine quality. I'm apparently very lucky

It's Most definately better than fine, it's VF and perhaps more.

I agree, I suspect the dealer was positioning himself in case he was asked "how much would you offer me for it?"

[VickySilver 775]

Adam, this is a coin right square in my area & would readily tell you that based on the photos that this is definitely a VF (perhaps a bit on the high side of that) and only slightly downgraded because of the edge hits. That would be very unfair to call it only F.

[azda 973]

Great news Adam! You're in for a long wait if you're sending it to CGS I think, previously my coins have been returned in 4-5 weeks, but this time round they haven't even reached the first stage in the process, after 6 weeks ...

Never slab during an up coming auction, the consignments take priority over fee paying customers which I find disgusting tbh

[SWANNY 25]

If I had a choice I would not send it to CGS , but there is not a lot of choice on where to send a coin for authentication in the UK

Good luck with your grading , I hope you have better luck than I did

[Paulus 1,942]

Great news Adam! You're in for a long wait if you're sending it to CGS I think, previously my coins have been returned in 4-5 weeks, but this time round they haven't even reached the first stage in the process, after 6 weeks ...

Never slab during an up coming auction, the consignments take priority over fee paying customers which I find disgusting tbh

Just to point out that I deliberately sent my latest small batch to CGS shortly after the last LC Auction had finished (mid September), in the hope of minimising delays!

[AdamCurtis 0]

Sorry to revive a dead thread but I thought I'd update you guys. I finally managed to send off the coin to CGS and it is indeed genuine! It's been rated as GEF, so I'm very happy obviously.

[Paulus 1,942]

6 minutes ago, AdamCurtis said:

Sorry to revive a dead thread but I thought I'd update you guys. I finally managed to send off the coin to CGS and it is indeed genuine! It's been rated as GEF, so I'm very happy obviously.

Wow! GEF you say! That puts it at over £5 K according to Spink, what do CGS value it at? (Their site's 'closed' at the moment so you can't look it up, if you don't already know)

[PWA 1967 1,841]

24 minutes ago, AdamCurtis said:

Sorry to revive a dead thread but I thought I'd update you guys. I finally managed to send off the coin to CGS and it is indeed genuine! It's been rated as GEF, so I'm very happy obviously.

Not read all the previous posts but seen your happy and hat off 

Paul ....think you might have to wait for your grades a bit longer 

[VickySilver 775]

Wow, that is excellent news. What numerical was it given? Are you to keep or sell? Which venue? I can see it quite possibly selling for somewhere above 6k.

[Stuntman 264]

That's fab, I'd been wondering what had happened about this coin.  Really pleased for you!

[Paulus 1,942]

45 minutes ago, VickySilver said:

What numerical was it given?

GEF would be CGS 65 I believe

[azda 973]

Excellent news, pleased for you. Keep it in the family another 10 years and that could be a 10k coin

[Paulus 1,942]

4 hours ago, AdamCurtis said:

Sorry to revive a dead thread but I thought I'd update you guys. I finally managed to send off the coin to CGS and it is indeed genuine! It's been rated as GEF, so I'm very happy obviously.

What is the CGS UIN please Adam? @AdamCurtis

Edited July 13, 2016 by Paulus

[mhcoins 95]

3 hours ago, Paulus said:

GEF would be CGS 65 I believe

that would grade EF, yet from experience most CGS coins i've crossed graded tend to be one grade lower.

Choice UNC	MS66 - MS70	90-100
UNC	MS64 - MS65	82-90
About UNC	MS62 - MS63	80
GEF	MS60 - MS61	75-78
EF	AU58 - MS60	65-70
NEF	AU55	55-60
GVF	AU53	45-50
VF	AU50	40
NVF	EF45	35
GF	VF35 - EF40	25-30
F	VF20 - VF30	20

[Paulus 1,942]

The current comparison table has CGS 65 at GEF, I believe they changed things a few years ago 

 

[mhcoins 95]

Thats ridiculous, the problem we have with this alternative grading scale is it simply confuses the buyers.

For example MS63 (PCGS / NGC) for a milled coin is not uncirculated, Uncirculated beings at MS64. The levels which a coin is considered GEF is IMO 61 - 63