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Here are other examples of the I in BRITT Error .  there is a lot of misalignment of the R and the I 

 

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  the last few "unusuals " are obverse errors BB 1860 .  The I of BRITT is replicated mistruck higher interestingly on some there are other letters also struck too high.  the gap is pretty significant and the degree to which the inner circle is remodelled suggests this was done by a less proficient man or it was done in a hurry or both.  The error associated with the E in REG has I am certain been recognised for many years but the multiple attempts to restamp it may have eventually resulted in the E over P I illustrated earlier.  This would explain the large nob above the E  and it is not difficult to see how the numerous correction would eventually meet giving the impression of the P ...just a though

these images are all from the same coin 

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Half pennies sometimes seem to be the poor relative of the Bronze world many of the errors I have started to list on the half penny variety thread.  Some have been previously identified but I think there are others that are still to be found.  I have started with my 1860's I admit to having at least two for my own desire to verify it as an error variety.  But I am always happy to sell some for the charity.  

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1860 T over T in BRITT first T  I will add these images  tomorrow 

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T OVER T IN VICTORIA  1860 BEADED 

There are two T over T errors in the beaded obverses both show complete misplacement of the letter the T in Victoria seems to be more common than the T over T in BRITT ,.  However that may well be more down to the clarity of the error .  The T over T on the first and the second T in BRITT is harder to spot. 

 

these three examples illustrate the error nicely .

 

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This one is a follow on of Reverse B subvariety HAIF in this the blockage of the L in HALF  also occurs in the H with the bar missing and the A bar blocked   Many of the letters are also blocked n the obverse and numerous breaks in the die occur especially through the O .  It appears to one of the crooked 1 in the date group  

 

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double or  triple D's 1860 beaded ; the first example is associated with significant remodelling of the inner circle done in many places to a very low standard.

I noticed after I posted this that the C of Victoria has been completely moved and the scar exists of the previous C to the right.  

 

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1860 TWO TAILED R or RUDE R  .......OR your choice of name perhaps suggest one

 

I have had this one for a few years 1860 toothed .  No die break around the R  and the extension is has  a smooth appearance it looks like the tail end of an R and there is a lot of confused recutting of the inner circle above it ...any suggestions I've only so far found one

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E over P in REG Beaded Obverse   1860 half penny .  Here is an interesting  half penny from 1860 BEADED  the example is not the best and the verifying second example lack credibility because it was buried and has therefore crystalised and I am always untrusting of what they show.  But the original one found a few years back I feel is better if somewhat low in grade.  Interestingly on both on the reverse there is a flaw in the N of Penny hard to explain other than a break in the die or the N being reversed ?  is that possible. 

If interested I will image the whole coin ....I will have to load the second example later , the two below are from the same coin.  I would think that the error may have been created by too high a restamp of the F once possible twice I am unsure what that protrusion is on the top the join appears to be continuous so perhaps a die break as in he F over P in HALF in the 61 

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An interesting additional aspect to these toothed half pennies from 1860 is that the Stamp used to set the legend seem to have a number of difference.  The P of PENNY for example has two types used for different reverses 1. has an "OPEN" P the other a 2. "CLOSED " P .  I know that there have been comments about the letter stamps used in previous discussion but it is still of interest that when Wyon  prepared the first set of legend stamps for the bronze series he had to prepare a second set.  I know many will ask r say that it is in the hands of the preparer of these hardened steel stamps and why does it matter that there are minor variations.  Of course it might not matter but then what does any of this exploration into old bits of metal.   If it is there to be noticed then it is  , in my opinion, of interest .   I believe we have an OPEN P and a CLOSED P in the pennies so why not the half pennies.  Of  course this variation may be due to pressure used but to me the shape appears different one a restamp

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I also have a F over F in two specimens of Reverse C 1860 toothed both show the same position of the F over the F so I assume we can find others ...a nice error this  I hope you enjoy it too 

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I thought I might start listing some of my half penny characters.  It would be mice to have them listed so others might look see if we have matches .  I am not going to argue that they are varieties they are anomalies and this would seem , to me at least, to be the best place to share them 1860 toothed  8 over 8  it is the rounded lighthouse type the A is over the older curly based A  in HALF  and there is a very clear error in the placement of the I in Victoria on the obverse 

I HOPE THIS INTERESTS SOME ...MANY THANKS 

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32 minutes ago, blakeyboy said:

No- my mistake- I confused my strikings up- the jumbled 'triple' was an 1888 in Michael's book...

Oh yes I have a few half pennies with 8's over 8's from 1860 61 and 62.  Whilst they seem of little interest to many I am trying to discover how they fit into other legend errors often associated with them.  It's for interest alone 

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5 hours ago, blakeyboy said:

Is that second six one of the three on Tony Crocker's triple struck one?

I can see no evidence of a repeat strike, if I view the 6 upside down  (the six not myself) the tail appears to be slightly longer and something looks different .  Silly question but do we know if the 9 and the 6 stamps are exactly the same?  I wondered looking at it today if it might be larger the second six. 

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11 hours ago, secret santa said:

That's much clearer and definitely not something that I've seen before.

Ok that's good then perhaps we can all look out for a second to verify it 66's seem a bit harder,  than one would expect,  to find I wonder if the figures for production are accurate.   Thanks for the help and wisdom 

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3 hours ago, Peckris 2 said:

That's not a type I've seen before. I don't have Gouby so maybe it's in there, but nevertheless it's a very distinctive variety. Nice one.

thank you I am happy to have spotted something different.  Goulby shows three very different varieties in the most recent updates.  But the second 6 is very differently placed .  

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you may be correct perhaps I am misinterpreting the BP 1866 Aa 

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12 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

Your main crop would suggest that it is still pretty much 11 beads width as halfway through each digit goes halfway through the respective bead below. If it were 10.5 beads then the halfway point of the final 6 would be between beads not over a bead - some slight clockwise rotation of the final 6 also seems to add to the illusion. But I do agree that the final 6 is a bit higher than usual, though of no real significance - the 1860's are full of both slipped and raised final digits as dies were churned out with limited consistency...

yes the 1860 penny does have you say have many such errors but by 1866 we have only 3 date variations 4 including the BP 1866 B the 6 over 8  .  These are just the listed variants apologies I only study them for the sake of completeness of the record the best to date seems to reference only the 4 mentioned.  This then would appear to be a 5th of the 1866 variety.  My eyes maybe are deceiving me I am old  but 9 full teeth seem to be my count.  These things are not too important they are just unusual and have to be recorded.   

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19 hours ago, secret santa said:

Larry, we need a photo containing all 4 date numerals to make a comparison.

I've uploaded the full  area there are 9 full  teeth and two half teeth to the middle of the ^ which is high and yes slightly rotated I am following the system outlined by M Goulby in his three examples there are 10 full teeth or 11 

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12 hours ago, Martinminerva said:

Your main crop would suggest that it is still pretty much 11 beads width as halfway through each digit goes halfway through the respective bead below. If it were 10.5 beads then the halfway point of the final 6 would be between beads not over a bead - some slight clockwise rotation of the final 6 also seems to add to the illusion. But I do agree that the final 6 is a bit higher than usual, though of no real significance - the 1860's are full of both slipped and raised final digits as dies were churned out with limited consistency...

but between the half of the first digit and the last is 9 sorry that was a slip up of my own making apologies there are only 10 taking into account the two half digits whereas there should normally be 10 

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here is the full image 

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6 hours ago, secret santa said:

Larry, we need a photo containing all 4 date numerals to make a comparison.

oh OK sorry I thought I'd crop it from the middle of the 1 to the middle of the 6 to make it easier but sure I'll load one tomorrow 

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Good Afternoon 

 

I would like your considered opinion on this "new" 1866 I have found.  The date types are listed with 11 teeth 11.5 teeth and a wide date with 12 teeth BP1866 Aa;Ab and Ac respectively In Goulby .  Would you be willing to search through your own 1866 pennies to see if we might find a verification.  The date is clearly different from all the others mentioned notably the last 6 is High with an indent above and is very close to the first 6.  Your KIND thoughts please   

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2 hours ago, Coinery said:

I didn’t think it too much of a presumption to assume you knew who I was talking about; you’ve been a member for over 6 years.
It’s a relatively well known fact that Rob has a large library and sells books. I mistakenly expected you to have stumbled across that with a 700+ post count. Always a pleasure to help.

 

Sorry the last time I came in before this most recent one was a few years back when ill  and was a bit bonkers.   Hence I don't know @Rob .so  thank you for the direction I did not know he had book interests but I will ask him now I do know.  

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On 6/11/2022 at 11:23 PM, Peckris 2 said:

There's only one Rob on this forum! who is @Rob

OK so you were advising me to talk to someone on the forum thank you for the context.