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DrLarry

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  1. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    You will, I hope, indulge my interest in these tiny miniatures. I hope they will be interesting to collectors many are new and not included in Rogers. I find them fascinating because of the whimsical nature of them and the role they would have played with children throughout the last 2 centuries. I am particularly interested in Lauer coins and would be grateful to have any exchange of ideas or research on the manufacturing history and distribution. Luckily I have the microscope and will will take images and would like discussion and debate about them from any collectors. I know they are not currency pre decimal coins but they are of interest I hope, as much as for any other reason than they are beautiful little replicas. It is also a chance for me to sort and re-examine them in between paintings just to clear my mind. Many thanks
  2. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    these are a funny group of new Lauer imitations of his imitations ...I suppose you know you have been successful when people try to copy your work clearly pretty badly ! 535b ??? Original Lauer 535 appears to have a different bust in the section on imitation lauer in Rogers page 68 and I have attempted to cross reference with the collection in the Fitzwilliam Museum but they have no catalogue numbers that relate to the text , shame really but I suppose finding someone to do it might be a little monotonous
  3. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    People have suggested a link with Lauer in the production of J Cooke half sovereigns because of the damage on the O of SOV reading SCO I am not sure this its the evidence I have listed below he typical SCVEREIGN SCO error and the John Cooke seen often ...the damage to the O is very different
  4. well whatever these are the inner circle is intact
  5. Thank you I Thought that might be the case but wanted to check ...
  6. I also would like your advise on this Heaton 1881 . I was wondering if this is unusual to you experts ? The H is very high into the date...I have never seen this referenced anywhere but please let me know your thoughts. I thought at first it was a BP 1881 Hb the highest I have seen it is in BP 1882 Ma ...thank you
  7. Coin A 1861 1861 B the leaf is half lost or is this simply wear? 1861 C this one I only have this image as it has not been delivered yet
  8. ok thank you I find nomenclature in all these varieties (especially 1861) a little difficult (still I suppose I should be careful! admitting that on here )
  9. Could you please tell me.... this is Obverse VI F with reverse VI f ? If this the only obverse that has this missing leaf in that position? I ask because I have three examples where the leaf is either missing or weak on other obverse types
  10. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    They only made the half Sov John Cooke .....It was an advertising token of sorts I think
  11. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    I think the problem with the other denominations below the 12 pennies make one shilling is the age 1840s and the size shilling is 13mm;sixpence 10mm; groat 8mm; farthing 11.5mm. I am sure they got easily lost. Rogers says that they are reported to have presented in a wire mesh bag. Page 31 section 09 the reference taken from Magney. I'm not sure if any examples are extant.
  12. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    LOL well myth and etymology ...sometimes these things can stick around for decades before they are applied..... I am going to stick with coins ....even if toys...as the source .... I am in need of the half crown and the Crown and half Sov well quite a lot of them really LOL perhaps I shall not bother too much with them....
  13. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    your'e welcome as you say 55 is too many for one man to hold...I just wanted them so I might be able to work out the relative distribution of different types
  14. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    What value is it? It looks to be in lovely condition .... I have the lower denominations but not the higher ones .....by Onions...Know Your Onions
  15. Yes that may also help answer a question that I wondered about for many years in the 1860 pennies which show often a very fine lettering under re-punched, almost as if a different punch was initially used, (although the profile is often "curley" as well as more delicate). Perhaps this is a working practice issue again. The hardened steel for the new bronzes would have needed to be different to the method used for the copper and strength applied perhaps to get the punch to go deep enough to get the impression on the bronze as opposed the copper. Although we do have a diary note that he did have to recut and harden a new set of punches for the bronze and they kept failing.
  16. DrLarry

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    just pm me your address if you do
  17. perhaps you could advise me on why a number of the letters are much thinner in some examples I have. Here for example a very thin G ? Is it down to the pressure applied to the punch? Or a letter stamp that is cut thinner? This is on an 1862. I find it interesting that the Mint would have any variability in the punches , whilst I accept that the penny is a lot less important than silver or gold, you would think that there might be a small tray in some corner where the dies are kept and the punches alongside all checked and ready (sorry for my oversimplification) hence there would never be a mixture of type. as an example that 1862 farthing with an 8 that seems to have nothing to do with the fat or small appearing. Or why the half penny numerals are mistakenly used. Working practices intrigue me LOL
  18. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    would you like one? I only have them because I happened to find them all bundled together a few years back? sometimes a find small bags full of a particular Lauer type and assume they are either distribution collections as often they are uncirculated or someone has collected them and used them for playing cards ? I assume a bit like George III card counters
  19. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    Small and large lettering types
  20. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    In the sample size I have 55 in total about one fifth are large lettering; 7 are small lettering 4 have large letters over small with the Additional R after COUNTER R #496a; 20 are gilt covered Brass 20 plus are silvered; 1 appears to be copper #497a 8 are HAIF's (unlisted) . My notes suggest there may be a variety with a differing number of pearls on the crown but I think this is just damage to the die. There is a large lettering type that has extra hair behind the bun usually the large letters are over the smaller ones. Sorry my brain begins to collapse after looking at them too long LOL . The majority of this mix I found from 40 in a small haul of them. This type shows the additional R after COUNTER and the smaller letters below the recut large letters there is also interestingly additional hair behind the BUN to my knowledge I have never found the original setting for the very small letters covered so perhaps it was a trial die that was reused.???
  21. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    I think because of the flaw on the O on SOVEREIGN some suggestion was made that the C made up of a broken O matches a similar one on the Lauer half SCOVEREIGN type ..but I believe off the top of my head the break or blockage is on the opposite side in the Lauer so this might be a red herring. I have some of both types so I will take pictures tomorrow
  22. DrLarry

    TOY COINS

    A third variety seems to have large lettering in the Legend with an older die under the new one the C of COUNTER is repeated in some and the R of COUNTER is doubled . Another where the second E in SOVEREIGN is struck over an R
  23. DrLarry

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    One variety has a blocked die and the HALF reads as HAIF as we see in the bronze half pennies
  24. DrLarry

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    One type are set medal and the other coin . I am not 100 % I am sure about what I am about to say but it may be that these were struck with a die method rather than mould pressed in sheets. On the these two the outline of the obverse can be seen on the reverse like a die clash . I assume if these are mold pressed there is no way a clash can have occurred. Would I be correct?
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