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Everything posted by DrLarry
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That's fine all in good time there is plenty to keep going on
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much nicer yes indeed....but you do go for quality more than I do LOL
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fabulous yeah I think it is the same obverse I saw in Rogers a half dollar mentioned ...none of these were illustrated so I think we have taken some great steps forward this week...well done Kai apologies that one is illustrated but I think your example is better. Don't sell it without asking me LOL
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yes of course as soon as it arrives but it may take a few weeks I am afraid . thanks for pointing that out . Larry -
yes that is true it had less than face value
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I think when currency reaches a level that everyone has some the best option for many is to have a parallel economy and keep it circulating
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Continuing Lauer Young heads . I found one of the SCvereign types in set A which included all the young Heads from the SOV with the George Dragon to one farthing in uncirculated condition the box also contained the Gothic Head Florin and the George IV crown. there is no representation of the silver crown with the young victoria head and the Gothic Crown only issued as a proof is also not included . However I think the jury on distribution is still out because I have often found small bags filled with one currency value is groups of between 30 to 50 Coins . The Boxes used also vary with the FIVE POUNDS on the lid the rarest one with the two cherubs turning a coin screw being larger and deeper than other Jahnicke's Patent Pending boxes Made Specifically for L C Lauer stamped on the front of the box
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I saw on the list that a quarter farthing existed #237 I suppose we have to assume (perhaps ) that the half penny exists ? can we say that?
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yes I read that they circulated well with people for a long time. It is often the case in smaller communities that non regal coins circulate. Even within parts of the Cape Flats in Cape Town the townships circulate pink rand cash that has been stolen and dyed with the ink that goes off in the cash canisters ...as long as the money does not leave the townships it remains pretty well safe.
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we would have some lovely coinage with the model coins if moore had managed to persuade the mint
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Section 06 needs a lot of revision even with my brief excursion into this section there are several new obverses and reverses. But I note that your revision will start at 1860
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I asked earlier on if anyone was aware of this unusual character a typical Moore Model ! PENNY 1848 but with an obverse mule using one of the medalet portraits form the Windsor box . There are 4 different portraits I think of Victoria with some help and a push in the right direction i believe it is be #267 in Rogers RRR* unseen by him #267 Crowned Victoria Model penny 11mm
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I think it is # 267 mule of one of these portraits although the hair bun overflowing the crown differs and the braid completes closer to the first forward to the back of the skull
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thank you anyone's penn'uth worth is better than nothing. I agree that is does seem to be a Moore. There is nothing in Rogers In terms of images although he does write that there are others who have studied these to a greater extent than he has. A mule is mentioned for some of the small Royal family metalet types and the model penny so I am thinking it may be one f those thanks you made me look again and look harder
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stunning well done beautiful
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I will carry on with the half Sovereign because I have now realised there is an interesting connection between the SCVEREIGN where the O is broken and reads C young head undated jubilee head dated 1887 and the Mule with the reverse directly above with 1887 and the 1897 date on the obverse
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My apologies I think I might have already covered some of the young heads on page 5 when I listed the silver version of the above which I think now might be from the same die linked to #403 b as it has the three radial cracks on the obverse die . The reverse does however have the I over an I i had not noticed that before . This little silver one is beautiful
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In my opinion #403 is the first of the SOVEREIGNS using the shield type it is beautifully engraved in brass with a reeded edge they are RR interestingly the use of the J for Jmitation on the obverse differs from the I in IMITATION on the reverse, in this one the I is overstruck the same error does not seem to be the case in #404
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I do not have #401 similar to the above except it has NURNBERG in the exergue #402 typically the leg of the is very short within the date in the exergue
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#400.c had a plain edge again with counter with plain edge RRR the plain dges are rare in these early gold type coins (Rogers) and I would agree with that I suppose it would be useful to weigh these coins which might help verify different metal types as it is sometimes hard to know exactly what a description of "coppery Brass " actually means
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#400 a. Gilt Brass with reeded edge
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The Younger Heads are believed to be the first issue probably made after the increased automation of the factory in the 1880's steam was added allowing the coins to be produced on a much grander scale expanding the distribution and likely the profit. some are rarer than others #400 13mm Brass with reeded edge these early ones have the word COUNTER in the exergue not uncommon
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I am happy to hear that you have a lot more on the Balmberger coins I keep finding them and often wonder if they are new or simply covered by the broad explanation Rogers gives at the start of that section. Well it will be good to compare notes . Also if I know you are collecting and bidding on coins and they are being used for research I can happily let you take them. It worries me that the coins might just be used for pure collection ...I am afraid the scientist in me sees collecting as a means to an end to improve our knowledge. When you come to cardboard coins there is a collector in Derbyshire David who has specialised in this and is writing a book at the moment I think. Toys are by definition ephemeral lost and played with and easily forgotten and I think we have a chance of improving things I am thinking of donating my collection to a toy museum but I shall see when the time comes.
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I think now I have dealt with a lot of the "non Lauer types" it is time to be begin the Lauer coins themselves. It is hard to bring the history of the Lauer minting house alive but I did find recently this postcard which shows the mint house in the late 1800's Lauer as a family of minters of tokens and medals began well before the production of the small coins often only referred to as Lauer Toys. Nurnberg was as I mentioned a city built of industries that worked in small metal fabrications and in a way a bit like Birmingham was in England. I am sure the markets opened up once a German Prince sat next to Victoria and the wealth of peoples changed and small present giving became increasingly popular as money was more freely available. So a confluence of timing and opportunity which blossomed mostly in the the mid 1870's to the late 1880's . Yes the factory continued into the early 1930's producing medals and the factory was bombed in the late 30's early 40's . I have written to the toy museum in Nurnberg but as yet have had no communication from them about any history they may know of the production of toy coins.
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If you get a chance go back and take a look at the last 15 pages and hopefully we will be able to expand on what is available
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