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1934 Wreath Crown

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  10. Posted · Edited by 1934 Wreath Crown
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    I recently acquired this 1879 Sovereign which I had been looking at for quite a while. It's the London Mint variety with a mintage of only 20.013 and therefore very rare. The weight and dimensions appear to be accurate at just under 8 gms. 

    I cannot see anything wrong with it. Looks like a genuine sovereign to me....any comments will be welcome.

    I will attach a few photos which have been taken to the best of my ability.

    Also what grade would you attribute to this coin?

    Thanks

     

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  11. Posted

    Vicky Silver I took every bit of practical advice offered to me and asked all the experts for their opinion. If I send the coin to anyone else for evaluation and it is removed from the NGC holder, what recourse do I have at any time with the auction house or NGC....NONE.

     I had the coin in hand and although I am not an expert, I looked at it carefully under 40X and 60X magnification. It looked OK. It is not MS and the wear looked normal. The brownish colouring is only in the photographs not on the coin itself.

    I have a simple question from all forum participants….why do we get coins graded IF we feel that the independent graders are such novices that they would mistake intentional filing and scuffing of a coin for normal wear and tear? Or miss telltale signs!!! And are NGC so petty, dishonest and irresponsible that both they and HA would ignore a client’s concerns for a few $$$ and intentionally give a false opinion a second time? I don’t think so.

    Which is why I prefer to pay a little more for a graded coin rather than buy an ungraded coin from a dealer who might want to slip a fake to me for personal gain. I have suffered a large loss on eBay at the hands of a long-standing unscrupulous dealer with 100% positive feedback.

     What irks me is that while others tried to be positive and helpful, a single individual was insisting he was right even when the best, most respected experts in the business said it looked OK in the photos BUT they could not be certain without having the coin in hand (a conclusion I can accept and respect). However, this one individual is almost certain that the coin is a fake???

     I stand by my opinion of him and don’t care if he does not post any comments on my coins or threads in future.

  12. Posted

    Hello Everyone who had been following this thread. I have just heard back from HA who had submitted the coin to NGC for re-evaluation. NGC have confirmed that the coin is 'struck and genuine'. Therefore, it is not a cast fake item.

    I am happy with their findings and can finally put this issue to bed. Thanks to everyone who supported and encouraged me. As for the person who started all this, on Coin Talk, I would say....Hope you have more interesting things to do in life and perhaps instead of writing books you need to do some research first. Cheers!!!

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  13. Posted

    On 1 June 2016 at 1:24 AM, CartwheelTwopence said:

    NGC obviously get it wrong, on occasion, however I feel as though your 1934 Wreath crown is genuine and that perhaps the picture is responsible for the issues. This, or it's a really good fake.

    Thanks. I too think it is genuine. Anyway it's been sent back for re-evaluation so we shall know in a few days. I'm sure NGC will look at it much more closely now that it is a coin that has raised doubts.

  17. Posted · Edited by 1934 Wreath Crown

    I remember seeing his first fight against Liston (replay) in black and white at the movies when I was perhaps 5 years old. As a child I knew then he was going to be someone special.

     

    Reading about his life, I realized he was more than a boxer. He was an extremely intelligent and articulate person, when you consider his background and lack of formal education. Above all he was a man of very strong Conviction and Principles and contrary to what most believe, he refused to go to war because of these....not because he was a coward or un-patriotic.

     

    He was shot at, stripped of his titles, insulted and ridiculed for this but he fought, what was perhaps his greatest fight ……and won.

     

    Perhaps not the greatest boxer of all time, but without the shadow of a doubt, the GREATEST influence on that sport and certainly the greatest sports personality EVER…… a man who influenced generations.

     

    I was fortunate to acquire a lithograph, signed by him, and I hope to treasure this for a long time to come.

     

    RIP Muhammad Ali.

     

     

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    48 minutes ago, brg5658 said:

    I think part of the concerns (about colour of the metal) are unfounded.  Circulated silver, when lit with overly diffuse light, shows up with an almost coppery tinge on points of wear or weak strike.  I know next to nothing about this particular coin, but I know enough about photography to know that the pictures posted in the OP are not how the coin looks in hand. Short of any obvious die markers missing (which I don't see mentioned here), I think an in hand review of the coin by an expert would be the only way for you to get an honest answer to this question.

    It's a hassle, but returning the coin for review is better than the musings of keyboard warriors spouting off opinions (biased largely by their vitriolic hatred of NGC and PCGS) based on so-so pictures.

    Just my tuppence...:D

    Thanks Brg. Not tuppence but a whole crown's worth of advice :)

    Yes I have arranged to send it back for review. Having taken the coin out of the bank and seen it again, the coppery tinge is in fact just the shading in photography as you rightly pointed out. Yes there seems to be some 'scraping' at the high points but to me this could be the result of a one time accident, not an intentional filing of a coin that has been cast.

    I also feel that such obvious pointers of at forgery would, most certainly, have been picked up by the graders at NGC and we are naive to think that they would miss them. 

    Should have feedback in about 2-3 weeks and will post the results here.

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    14 hours ago, scottishmoney said:

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    Edward III Noble from the brief Treaty Period in the 1360s when England and France were at peace and Edward III was not claiming the French throne, thus no French titles on the coin.  One I have owned a few years and will likely enjoy only shortly longer as these treasures will be sacrificed to pay for the ankle biters college fund.

    Absolutely fabulous. Would love to take that off your hands when you feel you need to pass it on to someone who appreciates it. :)

    For the right price of course.....

  21. Posted

    7 hours ago, Coinery said:

     

    So basically you feel it is a genuine coin???!!! Steve Hill was also leaning towards that opinion but left the final decision to me. Having discussed it with HA and as AZDA said, in the interest of a little more peace of mind, I have decided to send it back to HA and NGC for review and re-evaluation. It will cost me upwards of $200 but well worth it, in my opinion.

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