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  1. When the opportunity presents itself
  2. I currently own three 1799 1/2. Two were bought raw over 20-25 yrs ago and graded MS65 by NGC. I do not recall which variety they are and I do not believe they were attributed by NGC at the time I submitted them. As I remember, they are attractive for the grade or at least they were then. The one that created the question was purchased within the past year. I bought it because of the strike and reflectivity. And while I was not completely convinced it is a proof, it really had what I would call a special look separating it from others I have seen. And I just don't have all the answers for this date and all the varieties. So the time finally has come to ask and collect some thoughts and contemplate whether it is submission worthy. Again... Thanks for sharing you thoughts Rob
  3. Thank you for your reply. I should have more specific. Your answer is addressing the actual variety thar I have questioned... The 5 gunports. The example that I have is sharp with reflective fields and is more of a chocolate brown with some traces of red within protected areas. It is a fairly attractive but falls short of 65 for those that apply the Sheldon scale in grading. It clearly is PL.... The question is whether it is a copper proof. I just have not seen enough of the proofs in hand to really appreciate the difference
  4. Do all the known varieties exist in proof?
  5. BTW, congrats... terrific looking coin
  6. I would leave it as it is. However, If the build up on the reverse around ONE FLORIN is that disturbing to you, consider taking razor blade, shave off the point of a tooth pick to reduce the size of the point and gently go into the letters to remove the black build up without effecting the surfaces. That might be the least intrusive way to improve the coin. Just be very careful... You can use a loupe to help identify the spots and the magnification will help determine if the tooth pick treatment is working and if you made progress in removing what might just be gunk. If you try this, consider posting a picture to illustrate whether the treatment produced an improvement. Good luck with whatever you choose to do.
  7. AU is not without controversy - I see your point.
  8. https:///coinimages/2026/04100933/05728398_large.1698.jpg?v=1549156610276
  9. https:///TrueView/28436102_800x600.jpg And this is my 1701-
  10. I just posted my 1689 half crown- it is a 53 graded by PCGS
  11. I consider the 1698 to be the most available date of the series. Your example looks well struck. My concern is over the quality of the fields and that could be just in the image and not the coin. I would not be in the MS camp- the thread captures the problems of trying to grade from an image
  12. As for the 1689 - if that was graded by NGC, I suspect it may grade 50- possibly 53 given the detail in Mary's hair- Again, lustre would be critical with this coin as well.
  13. The Sheldon scale and American grading in general is set to a different standard than UK grading. Lustre is a critical factor in terms of establishing a grade above EF45. Lustre is not just measured by reflectivity but the actual quality of the surfaces - especially the fields. There are pick up points to determine wear from circulation over that of a weak strike. Further, understanding dies varieties and determining whether a coin is a early or late die state example helps assessing a grade. There are mint state coins with less than satisfactory strikes- but that is how they were made. Perhaps the better and more satisfying term should be "as struck"- that seems to be used by some of the UK auction houses. Not all coins within the same series or even within the same grade are created equal. The coin should tell the story.