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  1. Posted · Edited by PWA 1967

    Although advanced collectors may be able to tell if coins have been dipped watching some sell recently i am concerned new collectors dont know and paying to much.

    Collectors maybe buying them thinking they are ok and maybe buying others from the same sellers.That IMO is fine if they know what they are buying ,however the prices people are paying i dont believe they do.

    Begginers (or any collector for that matter ) IMO need to be able to tell what they are looking for as the sellers are not going to tell them they are dipping them.

    Anyone have any opinion on these ?

     

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    6 hours ago, DrLarry said:

    Tell me about Toning Fluid please?  I could look it up but I am sure I will get a much more colourful description from you guys 

    I am sick of seeing them for sale and dont want to encourage others to start using it if they read the forum and think they look much better.

    Not long ago a friend of mine bought one and mailed me pictures saying" this coin looks like its been in brown sauce ,its even got brown marks on the paper envelope " 😂

    BOTH the coins have been in it above ,its just like any dipping solution and the stronger the mix or longer its left in the darker it goes.However if the coins been heavily cleaned and in parts down to the base metal this will appear lighter than other areas.

    Its used not just on cleaned coins but can be used on anything to brighten the colour up and make them (in the sellers opinion ) look more attractive.

    I have some before and after pictures if you are interested of dipped copper / bronze coins and happy to share the types of toning fluid BUT not on here ,just send me a message if you wish.

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    Anyone else noticed over the last 12 months that more and more Copper and Bronze pennies are being sold that have been cleaned and dipped in TONING FLUID.

    There has always been a few and a collection sold at auction about 12 months ago had a lot in ,that i do know as returned three.

    However there are now dozens which IMO means that maybe some sellers are not doing it to the odd one but doing it intentionally to increase the sale price which in some cases has been ridiculous.

    I have put the links to show the cleaning and toning fluid due to being able to use the magnifier and not to target the two sellers as lots of coins not just on eBay are the same.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/354391557616

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/165877079811

    Maybe some collectors dont mind and prefer them to look this way ,although maybe some especially new collectors dont know.

  6. Posted · Edited by PWA 1967

    MOST of the Copper varieties can be found quite easily in lower grades if your prepared to look and very rarely attributed.

    However finding them in HIGH grade is were it becomes more difficult and some harder than others ,such as the 1854 No (or weak) Colons.

    So the 1858 26a plenty of them and certainly not rare or hard to find , but how many do you see better than EF 😀

    Like this 1854 DOT i bought at the weekend also ,plenty in low grade.

    https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/155307972243

  10. Posted

    On 11/8/2022 at 7:12 PM, PWA 1967 said:

    Yes ,i must of set the reserves to high ,which is always hard if not much to compare them with.

    However IMO much better than having a reserve that is to low and risk giving them away ,just a case of trying to be fair / realistic and now found out i was wrong  😀

    Just an update for anyone who has one or maybe interested ,both the Large rose sold after the auction for the reserves.

    Although was only informed this morning.

  11. Posted

    6 hours ago, secret santa said:

    I'm quite surprised that this one didn't sell, as the bronze pennies achieved very strong prices.

    Yes ,i must of set the reserves to high ,which is always hard if not much to compare them with.

    However IMO much better than having a reserve that is to low and risk giving them away ,just a case of trying to be fair / realistic and now found out i was wrong  😀

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    Yes the Large date is only what i consider rare in grades above VF ,like most copper penny varieties you can find most if you look hard enough.

    Try finding them in high grade though......

    I have this Large date in the Baldwin Auction and not many as good to the best of my knowledge ,if it wasnt for the ejection pinch at the top i feel it may of graded higher.

     

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    On 10/26/2022 at 11:00 AM, DrLarry said:

    REV G OBV 7 raised dot after T in VICTORIA ....I am normally a little sceptical about raised dots as they seem to be percussion ridges or bumps of displaced metal ut I had a close look around and cannot find enough to suggests this ....let me know if you disagree PLEASE 

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    Not the exact same place ,but i bought this penny the other week and in between the same letters ,maybe something to do with a setting out mark as a bit coincidental that the dot could be anywhere else on the coin.

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    On 9/17/2022 at 11:28 PM, Bronze & Copper Collector said:

    1956 4 & c reverse

     

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    Just to add to how rare these are although you know F474 4+C.

    I have just been talking to Dave Craddock and over 40 years has looked at thousands and never found one ,in his opinion they are much rarer than R12 👍

    If he tells me something is extremely rare it will be , as MOST types of BRONZE coins he will of had a few of and probably handled and looked at more than anyone else.

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  16. Posted · Edited by PWA 1967

    1 hour ago, oldcopper said:

    I note they've got a lower grade SD Large Rose estimate £4-500. Dave Craddock had one he called GF/NVF for £70, but I only saw his list yesterday and it had gone of course. Sounds comparable.

    Yes Dave phoned me Sunday asking why he had lots of people ask him for it , as he didnt think they were rare and seen and had plenty Large roses.

    By his own admission he didnt know the SMALL date was worth more and just priced as large rose 😀

    The coin in Balwin is mine and the Low estimate of £400 i felt going off previous sales with only a few known fair.

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  20. Posted · Edited by PWA 1967

    Looking at the sale at LCA with the LOT number that is still on the slab ,its the same coin i used the REV picture of on the other thread.

    I wondered where it may of ended up or who may of bought it from LCA ,well spotted.

    Its also on the CGS website as 2 + B 👍

     

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  21. Posted · Edited by PWA 1967

    Reason i put this on is the coin has gone to auction with some others and did not want to suggest to the cataloguer something that wasnt correct or misleading.

    I think " Rare with very few known above VG grade " is honest ,i didnt want the coin to be listed and then find out there were plenty i didnt know about.

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