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Exbrit
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So far the results are as expected:
6 for the Pistrucci design (1871 example)
1 for the 2005 design
With most placing the 2012 between the 1871 and 2005
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Interesting - I didn't think anyone would like the 2005. I just picked one up cheap.
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Rank and add your opinion of the
1871 - present St. George and Dragon design on the Sovereign reverse (except for 2005 &2012)
2005 design
2012 design
Expected results;
1871 design
2012 design
2005 design - which is disliked immensely
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This is the fifth 1879 sovereign I've seen for sale within the past year. R4?
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1920 s went for £430,000 . I agree that estimates where high but many of the lots started well below estimate.
The lowest bids allowed were 80% of the estimate which was probably the starting bid. I've been waiting fr them to post the realized prices - but they haven't yet.
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Anyone attend the St. James auction for the George Collection (5&6 March)? Wondering what the 1920 S Sovereign went for. I guess all of the losing bidders had plenty of money for the later lots.
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0 for 2 - missed out on both bids.
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How quickly will they post the realized prices? Seems like they should be posted soon.
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I received an explanation of why my two bids did not win from Downies. Both explanations were reasonable. One the owner submitted a late reserve which I was under and the other was a minimum percentage situation. I'll give them another go.
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I experienced similar with the Noble 104 auction. For the Downies - I put in a reasonable bid, but the estimate was rather high on the 1872 M Sovereign. I had a moderately strong bid on the 1876 M Sovereign, but no luck. Many sovereigns did not sell - the reserves must have been high. It would be nice if they mentioned that a reserve was in effect.
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Anyone win anything at the Downies 316? There are a lot of unsold items. I placed a couple of bids, but guess there were hidden reserves since both did not sell. I sent two enquiries - but so far no response.
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I have a 1880/70 overrate Sovereign (London) that is not listed in the Spink's Coins of England as a known variety and was not in either the Quartermaster or Bentley collections. I believe that it may be the Marsh #91A, but Marsh does not describe the variety fully - so I cannot be sure if it is the 91A or not.
I also talked to someone recently that advised he has almost 20 varieties of the 1880/70. He was selling one on Ebay - so I take his statement with a grain of salt. Spinks lists three varieties. The Bentley collection had a varity that was also not listed in Spinks for the 1880/70. The Bentley sovereign would normally be listed as variety A in Spinks - but they do not include variety A for the 1880/70.
My variety has the buried W.W. on the narrow truncation on the obverse, a long tail and no B.P. on the reverse.
If you have any information on this variety or have other not listed 1880/70 varieties - I'd appreciate your sharing it.
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Some very nice sovereigns. Looks like I'll be visiting the bank for a loan.
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One or two varieties that caught my eye, but otherwise not too much.
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I just find Excel so difficult. I am self taught and have been using a PC for over 20 years, and I have tried Excel over and over, but can't get it.
I can use a sheet if it is made up, but otherwise no.
The main problem with Coinmanage is it is not British, it is American. The database is only for English coins. Nothing else, so I had to add my Manx Irish and Scottish to it. Then I upgraded to the 2013 version and lost the lot so I had to do it all again. Luckily I always keep paper records so I did not lose the records.
If there was a database that was better then I would try it, but for now I will stick to this,
Geoff.
Another word on the easy solution that may not be the best solution. Coinmanage is Canadian not American, and it does have British coins. The problem with Coinmanage is that their British listings are not complete. For example some of the sovereigns that have both a shield back and St. George reverse for a given year only has one reverse type to choose from for a that year. This is a very small number of years, however - most have the option for either shield back or St. George. Coinmanage allows you to print a record including the information it pulls that you have entered along with either a photograph of your coin or a standard image that is contained in the database. I'm personally using Coinmanage because I wanted to save time and effort. Trade-offs
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Accumulator - sent PM
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So now NGC have decided to expand their Star grading to World coins: http://www.ngccoin.com/news/viewarticle.aspx?IDArticle=3798&Star-designationShame they chose some shit ugly coins to advertise the fact then, no?
I am kind of fond of the 1893 Sovereign. Not crazy about the others, thou
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I'll have to scout for an interesting penny - as I do not believe I have one at the moment.That looks to be the same as the 2013 Spinks price.
That looks to be the same as the 2013 SPINKS price. Bentley collection in EF is extremely rare. I haven't looked to see if Marsh has it listed. Nice coin. I collect the series, all mints and varieties. Wish I had one of those.
The S3866A is £350 in F, £750 in VF, £1100 in EF. No price given for UNCI only have the Spinks 2013 catalog - what is the new 2014 price for the S.3886A? I do not have that variety - just the 3886.
Also - someone mentioned above about over dates and delays in shipping dies. I believe the 1872/1 over date occurred in Australian soveriegns because of a shipping delay of the dies from London. If I remember correctly the ship with the dies sank.
As I don't really collect sovereigns, I'd consider a trade for an interesting penny!
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I agree with brg5658 regarding NGC for most non-US coins. One exception may be Sovereigns - at least those from Australia. The Aussies seem to favor PCGS according to a few of their experts.
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You did well with the pic. I'll try and take a good one of mine. Thanks for sharing.
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Great discussion. I have to admit, I enjoy my raw collection over my slabs. The slabs have one advantage, however. Many dealers will buy a slab that has been graded by one of the major TPGs sight unseen. They also sell easier on EBay. Photographs help when selling raw coins, but it is not the same as the guaranty provided by TPG coins.
When I am referring to dealers - I am talking about worldwide.
As far as Collector and/or Investor goes - I believe that many investors may eventually become collectors and many (if not all) collectors believe that their collections are worth something and even though they may not admit it - hope the value of their collection increases over time.
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I understand where you are coming from, but question the premise that there are many genuine collectors who are that unsure about their grading skills, yet are happy to spend hundred or even thousands on something they know nothing about. The idea that you can rely on an uncalibrated grader to accurately grade across both time and relative to their peers is a non-starter, so the ball is firmly in the court of the collector in my opinion. Why would anyone refuse to spend a tenner on a book which would clarify how to grade, yet spend many multiples on a coin. Frankly, I don't think it is too much to ask the uninitiated to become just slightly initiated. The genuine 'collector' who doesn't care or want to grade is an investor. Different rules apply at this point.
My concern is that the focus might (or probably has in some quarters) shift from the coin to the grade. So instead of people looking for a nicer coin, they seek a higher number.This to me is the inherent problem with all TPGS. Whether one is better or not is to me, a moot point. Protection of coins, conservation, authentication? I have no problems with any of those.But fuelling the 'number chasing' craze? They are all bad in that respect to my eyes and as Rob alludes, people need to learn to make up their own minds about a coin, instead of relying on someone else. IMHO..People just need to apply a bit of intelligence instead of blindly relying on everyone else.
I totally agree that chasing the number is a problem. everyone should learn to grade and judge each coin on it's own merits. I also agree that registry sets tend to attract buyers of the number and not the coin. My argument is for those who are unsure of their grading skills and enjoy the hobby by collecting already graded coins - a universal grading system would be beneficial - as long as consistency in grading applies.
Would you walk into a shop and buy a suit simply because it said 38 chest, 34 leg etc without trying it on? I think not. You would see if it was right for you. A few rudimentary ground rules for collectors is therefore not asking too much.
Ah, now we move into a different - but closely related topic. What is a collector? Is he purely in it for the pursuit of completing or advancing his collection? Or is he in it not only to advance his collecting interests - but to benefit financially? Isn't every collector actually part collector and part investor?
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I have a few sovereigns but not really a collection. My most interesting is S.3866A, which Spink until recently described as 'extremely rare'. I notice that the 2014 catalogue now gives prices for this coin which don't really support the 'extremely' description!
The Spink price of 1,100 in EF is what the Bentley Collection S.3886A sold for and is about twice the amount of the S.3886 in the same grade. For an R2 coin that seems about right to me. What was the earlier price note in Spink?
What is an R2 coin? Are any of these accurate once you leave the comfort of a mint report?
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Same here, I have a few of them.