josie

But bread is a stable or staple commodity then and now, before anyone buy something he must have food or loaves of bread to last for the day since it is mass produce today it means that it is cheaper but should be divided by wages ratio, let say 50pence or 1pound for loaf of bread today, 48 pounds that is 6 pounds * 8hrs the bottom end 48 pounds or 48/50pounds for the upper end 10pounds * 8 hours is 80 pounds or 80/50pence, for 14c britain 2d/loaves of bread, then how many 2d/loaves of bread in 40 shillings then that amount or number of loaves of bread to be converted in present britain in a day work which is 48 pounds bottomend and 80 pounds for upper end.

Thank You Geordie, so the stable or staple food then is loaf of bread, last upto now, for a infantry man can afford the loaf of bread so the minimum wage worker can also afford it, unless that britain is now a middle class society which they are the majority the base was change then the calculation well have a different result, so it is important what base you are going to use, between 14cents britain and present britain the number of bread bougth for a day work will also determine the purchasing power of the money in 14cents britain and in present britain this ma also conclude the value of money then and now, if some one know the value of loaf of bread in 14cents britain you can know which era is well off, or do it in reverse how do you calulate the value of bread in 14cents britain,

Premedival europe Present britain peasant became infantry man minimum wage earner 2d per day/loaf of bread 6 to 10pounds*8hrs=60 to80/loaf of bread find there ratio, result will be fraction almost perfect number use the base line peasant and minimum wage earner for majority use loaf of bread for stable food if not use potatoe if appicable plus minus correcting factor of silver troy ounce then and silver troy ounce now,

How much is loaf of bread in 14cets britain Tom you are using seargeant can you use private for they are more in number and grass root of the payroll a foot soldier salary or so modest enough for salt.

Thank you bronze,Great collection,now I know more when clayton wrote the phrase the colon becoming more central on his website, on stages or in process that the colon became central.

there are many varities in great britain coins that i do not know bee to other forum this site pop up when a reply to ask a coin expert in british coin for 10 of millions of 1907 and 1908 penny was struck tony clayton web site mentioned that ID variety was reported but notconfirmed there are changes in 1907 close BRITT:OMN change to wide BRITT: OMN in 1908 both obverse and reverse was change in this year is this a variety of 1908 wide BRITT: OMN or a mule with a obverse of 1907 and a reverse of 1908

Can someone post a picture of this 6 variety? for future reference

Thank you gary good site

Is there a slabbing or company certifiying coins base in europe for some of us may take a holiday and slab or certify they coin for people like to travel and it is time to have one for the expanding europe there past coin and use in circulation to be studied and recorded for we know that US has plenty of it and didnt seen any major companies expanding there base to the world or decentralizing for they have to train and make courses to novice or beginners or for those who love studying it, also i believe that there is many expert in there field of speaciality in most country of the world that teach them.

THAK YOU slyvester, with gary figure and your explanation I understand now more clearly

SO THIS SPECIMEN IS NOT RARE?

since i have 2 not verified I give one to the british museum, It is up to the authority to verify wheather it is forge or not, been there in your museum take picture inside and out including outside coincraft shy to take picture inside the shop lots of stuff in there, that figure you show, thus this interest THE world collectoer if it is included in world catalog

Hmm.. I'm confused josie. Are you of the impression that 'the secrets of British coinage' aren't otherwise recorded, confirmed and verified? But this is exactly what the British Numismatic Journal and to a lesser extent Spink's Numismatic Circular and even magazines like Coin News do. What is done daily on this and other (lesser!) websites. Numismatists and collectors write in with newly discovered varieties, theories and whatever so that others can learn or discuss their interests further. I suspect any business entity would have to pay a not-so-small fortune to be able to draw on the range of knowledge and expertise that the above publications alone can do. Thus all find is also recorded in world catalog for other collector to know or only the rare coin is included in the world catalog about the 1957 calm sea variety on seven,It maybe recorded in most of the published paper. but the other collector know? that i didnt know that until I saw it in your site, if they know thus they will include it in there coin gallery in different forum or maybe the collector know it but did not post or include it to his collection even how worn his other collection in the series of coin At least if there has to be slabbed coins, then a UK company with a British bias should be able to get the grade right. The biggest problem emanating from the US is a virtually complete lack of understanding what constitutes VF, EF and UNC for early milled issues and hammered. There are so few mint state pieces extant prior to William and Mary that most people will never physically see one, let alone own one. However, I suspect that the problems with resubmission until the required grade is given will transfer across the pond. It's all down to profit. I agree to that coin so rare only few have it, Exist only in lower grade even how low thier grade is, thier price should be the same as proof for no other greater grade exist , even if the highest grade of that series is fine

I dont know if it is rare for i have 2, Bougth lot of coins in carbooth here in ireland, well i do buy coins in coinshop in dublin by piece, almost same condition in carbooth by they have coins upto 80 euro a piece 1940 ireland penny, i cannot afford that, I bought the lowest in there shop to fill the hole in this series,the 1908 the specimen exist it migth exist in other place especially in UK where it originated, hoping that other may know or verified for it is worn other may have better example, to study especially the detail and the edge

sometimes im loss during the discussion, the topic sometimes interest me a lot ,having problem what Im going to type in the computer and what is in my mind, Trying my best to answer the question, well it is more like a debate, By the way Im a man just have femine name,

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THANK YOU TO ALL, Who reply and vote in the poll,I stay here, for this site have info on british coin, and show coins and variety I didnt see, or that I have no books or reference or hard time finding info in other website.Hope to see new find in this forum to be included in next year world catalog.

Definitely not the grading company. In the case of British coins, their expertise and knowledge is limited to the long established reference books such as Peck and Freeman. It is highly unlikely they will acknowledge a new variety as they are also ensuring they are credible by only using these recognised sources. A long established dealer or experienced collector has far greater clout if they have established credentials in a particular area. There is no one official database, so all information has to be recorded piecemeal, such as in the unrecorded varieties section of this forum. Spink is the closest you will come to a standard reference in the UK and they will record new varieties from time to time based on whether an example has passed through their saleroom or a serious collector has submitted unambiguous varieties for their approval. Whilst not perfect, it does give some recognition whilst allowing the more fanciful wished for errors to be excluded. Too many "error" varieties are based on low grade examples which given the amount of abuse the coin has suffered may or may not be real. when is the time that one will exist as i said there are collectors who collect british coin, well low grade or not it is recorded but better in good condition to study the detail, if a collector around the world have a querry where are the expert they can ask, gladly I found this site, As I said it is good have verified and comfimed section of this forum, but those that are being confirmed and verified goes to the book upto the world standard catalog for next year, for that one year is there medium to inform collector dealers and numismatic to tell them that they have a new find to check for thier collection to search for new specimen in good detail, May it is better that thier is a base where they can ask an expert an authority in british coinage to confirm they findings, If a slabbing companies employs british expert to verify a coin that are expert in thier own field and collection or series of coin, thus this is more better than non at all. a one stop website

WHO ARE THE AUTHORITY IN COINAGE THE SLABBER OR THE COLLECTOR AND THIER ORGANIZATION WHO WILL VERIFY THE NEW FIND WHO WILL CHANNEL THE NEW INFORMATION THUS THEY WILL MEET HALFWAY WHO HAVE THE GENERAL DATABASE FOR THE RECORDE AND UNRECORDED COINAGE THUS THERE ARE ALL EXPERT AND FAIR IN THEIR JUDGEMENT I AM LOOKING FOR THE HEIRARCHY OF COINAGE FOR USA IS WIDE NOW WHO HOLDS EUROPE

We like it or not slab and unslab exist, art and profit, like 2 side of the coin split but one,If they will going to put up the company make sure that there are expert for, i do not know if there are european expert employed in the grading service in the USA, for also collector around the world collect slab and un slab coin, if USA are more in grading, Why does there Goverment have a bill or law to return coins from there country of origin which european coin are old and worn not good grade, Where are you exactly? HERE IN GREYSTONES COUNTY WICKLOW IRELAND STILL PART OF EUROPE

YES the old coin is lower grade but who is the expert grading them american or european, about 1900 century all the secret, variety and error of europe while there out there and still not worn they can catch up also the coin in circulatoin the pound and the euro for better grade, since the expert are all base here and all the coins are struck in europe it is better to study them for the source is here

Without a doubt. Before it will go down to profit, would they record it first, all the secrets of BRITISH COINAGE all that is confirmed and need verification,

* Are you referring to population reports here? If so it's probably worth while me pointing out one small often overlooked point by even more experience collectors. In the US coins are slabbed and given population reports (i.e 12 grade as this 3 higher), however, they quickly become very unaccurate, firstly because coins submitted after that might be the same type and add a few more to the population report. However, simultaneously many coins are cracked out and resubmitted regularly! So How many have been added to that 12 since it was graded and how many lost from that 12 due to resubmissions. Which to me makes the whole pop. report a pretty useless measure. It's simply put there by slabbing companies as a selling gimmick.. kind of "look how rare this is!". ** Another small point which you'll no doubt encounter as you become more experienced, and it's worth holding in mind, "higher grade doesn't always mean better or nicer". Sometimes a coin in EF can look way better than another one in a higher grade. Be it differences in strike, tone, or whatever. Some coins simply have more eye appeal than others, and eye appeal has nothing to do with grading. Let no one try and convince you otherwise. It's an important point that's often overlooked. You will no doubt here colectors and dealers saying that AU58s often look far nicer than MS60s. MS60 might have the higher state of preservation but AU58 whilst a lower grade can often turn out nicer looking specimens. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO, well readers know now that they the collector do resubmit the coin in other grading company so the pop. report is useless at least it is recorded, for the pricise record and for the rare thing, for the company that will going to slab the coin for grading ,the collector own the coin, but the service made by the company so in the pop. report if the collector think that there is many or rare type of the coins he have somewhat base his presumption of the price, either the company hype this pop. report or not it is one of the factor affecting the price, is there a policy by the company if the collector break the slab for it bare the name of the company, if he dont reslub it, he maybe report to the company that the slub is broken so the company will strip it to there record, of pop. report but have a record that they slab it once in the past as for other collector who have many coin and reslab thier coin what will be the effect on that to the other collector, also for those who break thier slab and dont reslab, AT LEAST YOU SAID THAT THIS THINGS HAPPEN COMPANY AND COLLECTOR NOW ARE UP TO THIER TOES, Also other thing that the collector here in europe is distinct from USA a this forum have been moving into. they dont want slabbing company I will ACCEPT that, in the past watch one of the series of show in BBC a TV presenter said he got to slab the coin to the US, for europe as for i observe are also a great collector,They do collect things they like but not into certefiction At first did the slabbing company in the USA got a heavy opposition when they planning to have a company in there, since it was already founded and many more follow maybe, at first the company is more precise in their POP. report for it is only ONE, COMPANY ON THAT TIME if europe dont what a slabbing I also ACCEPT that, but thier are other collector and dealers in thier field base in EUROPE, AMERICA,CANADA, AND AUSTRALIA that collect thier coin, but also of the other counrty as well, SLAB OR NOT SLAB, here is the thing thus most of the SLABBING COMPANY EMPLOY A BRITISH EXPERT MAY HE BE A AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN, THUS HE SEE MANY SPICEMEN TO MAKE HIS JUDGEMENT FAIR, IT IS GOOD FOR OTHER COLLETOR TO COLLECT COIN FROM OTHER COUNTRY BUT IT IS BETTER IF HE IS BASE TO WHERE THE COIN SOURCE OR WHERE IT IS MADE, THUS IT IS ALSO THRU THAT USA A COUNTRY AND A GOVT. HAVE A BILL OR LAW TO RETURN FOREIGN COINS TO THIER COUNTRY OF ORIGIN THUS THIS MEAN THAT THEY DO COLLECT COIN IN USA BESIDE THERE OWN COIN, MOST TIME I SEARCH FOR THE INFO IN THE INTERNET FOR VARIETY IN GB OR IRELAND COINS, MOST BRITISH COIN AT THIER SITE REPLY MORE RESEARCH AND, STUDY THUS ALL THE FORUM FORMAT THE REPORTING OF NEW FIND IS GOOD THING TO HEAR, THUS THIS NEED TO BE PUBLISHED FOR NEXT YEAR BOOK, FOR THAT ONE YEAR THUS ANY OTHER MEDIUM INFORM THE COLLECTOR THEY HAVE NEW FIND OR IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A SLABBING COMPANY TO SLAB COIN,FOR THEY HAVE ALSO HAVE THE EXPERT WHEATHER OR NOT IN COLLABORATION OF FELLOW EXPERT AGAINST SLABBING, THUS COMPANY CREATE MORE INTEREST IN COIN TO STUDY THEM, SLABBING A COIN ,A NEW FIND AN ERROR OR VARIETY , ALL THAT EXIST OR CONFIRMED IN THE PAST AND OTHER THAT WILL FOLLOW TO BE CONFIRMED, THEY OR THE COMPANY WILL DO MORE RESEARCH ON THEM MOST OF THE SITE I BROWSE, IF THERE IS A NEW FIND OR INQUIRY ABOUT BRITISH COINAGE THEY WILL REPLY ASK A BRITISH COIN EXPERT........ ????????? I'm sorry Josie, but I can't understand what you are trying to say. Could you possibly use punctuation and paragraphs and keep the related bits together. Thanks. THANK YOU ROB, WELL THE POINT IS THERE ARE COLLECTORS AND DEALERS AROUND THE WORLD, COLLECT SLAB AND UNSLAB COIN, IS BRITISH COIN AND BRITISH EXPERT ARE WELL OR EQUALLY REPRESENTED IN THE SLABBING COMPANY, TO GRADE AND RECORD THE COINS THEY COLLECT FOR CENTURIES.

* Are you referring to population reports here? If so it's probably worth while me pointing out one small often overlooked point by even more experience collectors. In the US coins are slabbed and given population reports (i.e 12 grade as this 3 higher), however, they quickly become very unaccurate, firstly because coins submitted after that might be the same type and add a few more to the population report. However, simultaneously many coins are cracked out and resubmitted regularly! So How many have been added to that 12 since it was graded and how many lost from that 12 due to resubmissions. Which to me makes the whole pop. report a pretty useless measure. It's simply put there by slabbing companies as a selling gimmick.. kind of "look how rare this is!". ** Another small point which you'll no doubt encounter as you become more experienced, and it's worth holding in mind, "higher grade doesn't always mean better or nicer". Sometimes a coin in EF can look way better than another one in a higher grade. Be it differences in strike, tone, or whatever. Some coins simply have more eye appeal than others, and eye appeal has nothing to do with grading. Let no one try and convince you otherwise. It's an important point that's often overlooked. You will no doubt here colectors and dealers saying that AU58s often look far nicer than MS60s. MS60 might have the higher state of preservation but AU58 whilst a lower grade can often turn out nicer looking specimens. THANK YOU FOR THE INFO, well readers know now that they the collector do resubmit the coin in other grading company so the pop. report is useless at least it is recorded, for the pricise record and for the rare thing, for the company that will going to slab the coin for grading ,the collector own the coin but the service made by the company so in the pop. report if the collector think that there is many or rare type of the coins he have somewhat base his presumption of the price, either the company hype this pop. report or not it is one of the factor affecting the price, is there a policy by the company if the collector break the slab for it bare the name of the company, if he dont reslub it he maybe report to the company that the slub is broken so the company will strip it to there record of pop. report but have a record that they slab it once in the past as for other collector who have many and reslab thier coin what will be the affect on that to the other also for those who break thier slab and dont reslab, AT LEAST YOU SAID THAT THIS THINGS HAPPEN COMPANY AND COLLECTOR NOW ARE UP TO THIER TOES, Also other thing that the collector here in europe is distinct from USA a this forum have been moving into. they dont want slabbing company I will ACCEPT that, in the past watch one of the series of show in BBC a TV presenter said he got to slab the coin to the US for europe as for i observe are also a great collector, At first did the slabbing company got a heavy opposition when they planning to have a company in there, since it was already founded and many more follow maybe at first the company is more precise in their POP. report for it is only ONE,if europe dont what a slabbing I also ACCEPT that but thier are other collector and dealers in thier field base in EUROPE, AMERICA,CANADA, AND AUSTRALIA that don only collect thier coin, but also of the other counrty as well, SLAB OR NOT SLAB, here is the thing thus most of the SLABBING COMPANY EMPLOY A BRITISH EXPERT MAY HE BE A AMERICAN OR EUROPEAN, THUS HE SEE MANY SPICEMEN TO MAKE HIS JUDGEMENT FAIR, IT IS GOOD FOR OTHER COLLETOR TO COLLECT COIN FROM OTHER COUNTRY BUT IT IS BETTER IF HE IS BASE TO WHERE THE COIN SOURCE OR WHERE IT IS MADE, THUS IT IS ALSO THRU THAT US A GOVT. HAVE A BILL OR LAW TO RETURN FOREIGN COINS TO THIER COUNTRY OF ORIGIN THUS THIS MEAN THAT THEY DO COLLECT COIN OF DIFF. TYPE OUTHERE. MOST TIME I SEARCH FOR THE INFO IN THE INTERNET FOR VARIETY IN GB OR IRELAND COINS MOST BRITISH COIN THIER SITE REPLY MORE RESEARCH AND, STUDY THUS ALL THE FORUM FORMAT THE REPORTING OF NEW FIND IS GOOD THING TO HEAR, THUS THIS NEED TO BE PUBLISHED FOR NEXT YEAR BOOK, FOR THAT ONE YEAR THUS ANY OTHER MEDIUM INFORM THE COLLECTOR THEY HAVE NEW FIND OR IT IS BETTER TO HAVE A SLABBING COMPANY TO SLAB IT FOR THEY HAVE ALSO HAVE THE EXPERT WHEATHER OR NOT IN COLLABORATION OF FELLOW EXPERT AGAINST SLABBING, THUS COMPANY CREATE MORE INTEREST IN COIN TO STUDY THEM, SLABBING A COIN A NEW FIND ALL THAT EXIST AND OTHER THAT WILL FOLLOW, MOST OF THE SITE WILL REPLY ASK A BRITISH COIN EXPERT........

Why does that make me think of David Dickinson? DEALING WITH DICKINSON HE LOVES MAHOGANY FURNITURE I WATCH MOST OF THE PROGRAMS IN BBC ANTIQUES ROADSHOW, CARBOOTH, AND CASH IN THE ATTIC, FUNNY CLICK ON BBC WEBSITE 3 YEARS AGO FOR LINK IN COIN ENDED HERE