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It seems difficult to find many other examples on the market! Especially from a trusty source with decent images grading above VF. All good reasons as to why it could command a high premium! Never going to happen but if it comes back MS60 from PCGS I would be very happy with that..

I'm not familiar with the type, but looking at the legend lettering and lustre, my gut instinct tells me it is a lot better than VF. EF minimum would be my guess. The funny thing is the Dealer at the Brocanté was lauging at me, he made a joke saying what was I doing with all the coins i buy from him! "putting them in slot machines" whos lauging now :lol:

Some better pictures! http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/LouisX1V/library/ Its fair to say it grades higher than VF?? Looking at what other examples being graded VF. Thanks for confirming the mintage figures davidrj.

No light for the pictures!!!! looks a lot better in daylight http://www.ebay.ca/itm/Italy-50-centesimi-Coin-1924-R-KM-61-2-reeded-edge-Italian-Certification-VF-R2-/251237774798

No light for the pictures!!!! looks a lot better in daylight

Is this coin as really rare as its made out to be! its the reeded type, http://s1277.photobucket.com/user/LouisX1V/library/frds http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/WorldCoinPrices.aspx?category=29904&worldcoinid=89448&FromSearch=true 25 centimes a la local Brocanté; Looking at NGC is it worth grading in this condition? many thanks

I would be interested to see one. Can anyone confirm which metal is generally used for die? thanks

Ok, thanks So that explains why a tired or over used die will generally crack or weaken towards the "baseline legends" in a circular fashion. If the planchet is being compressed and its pushing out the diameter surely this is what creates the cracking effect, opening up the die as it weakens! maybe not the exact science but I understand. Thanks for your help.

I know that standards are slipping at the Royal Mint, but I don't think they would produce one quite so shoddy. Given that somewhere up to 5% of all one pound coins are fake, it's fair to assume that you have yourself a fake. 5 percent wow!! thanks The fact the planchet has different thickness or is tapered could that change the weight or explain it being over weight? Also the planchet if it wasnt rolled out correctly surely the result would be something like this? For example the extra weight comes from the thickness, The lack of detail and weak strike on the reverse could be becuase the round didnt sit square when it was struck etc etc Or its part of that 5 % So its effectively illegal to spend counterfeit money?? Planchets are normally stamped out from a sheet of rolled alloy, which is wide enough for several blanks across that width. Given the variation of planchet thickness you have within a single blank, the rolled sheet would have to be mm thin at one side and a few cm thick at the other. I'm pretty sure that the Royal Mint machinery is not even capable of producing such a sheet. It is illegal to spend counterfeit money, as it is fraud, although proving intent in the case of a single £1 coin would be difficult. Ah good point! Is it illegal to sell circulating coinage as counterfeit money.... not that I have any intention of doing so. Yes! It's the property of Customs and Excise I believe - and if known to be fake, should be handed in to a bank or police station. On the other hand, if you sold a non-counterfeit currency coin as a counterfeit, you could be done under Trades Description.. (Heads they win, tails you lose ) No joke! I once flicked a coin for heads or tails like you shouldnt do on a pool table it was a 20 pence peice and it landed on edge!!!!!! Il do my bit for England and hand it in! Il sleep easier that way I always hand them in - to the Dartford Crossing auto toll machines.

I have no knowledge of Jersey coinage, but the coin pictured is definitely the result of a cracked die. It is pretty common for die cracks to roughly follow the baseline of the legend as this one does through "ELFT". Hi, When the Planchats are rolled out and stamped is that the final size? Correct me if I'm wrong but the reverse and the obverse dies strike the round and the collar retains the alloy in a nice round shape? My question is does the coin spread and fill the collar to an exact size upon being struck. Many thanks

I know that standards are slipping at the Royal Mint, but I don't think they would produce one quite so shoddy. Given that somewhere up to 5% of all one pound coins are fake, it's fair to assume that you have yourself a fake. 5 percent wow!! thanks The fact the planchet has different thickness or is tapered could that change the weight or explain it being over weight? Also the planchet if it wasnt rolled out correctly surely the result would be something like this? For example the extra weight comes from the thickness, The lack of detail and weak strike on the reverse could be becuase the round didnt sit square when it was struck etc etc Or its part of that 5 % So its effectively illegal to spend counterfeit money?? Planchets are normally stamped out from a sheet of rolled alloy, which is wide enough for several blanks across that width. Given the variation of planchet thickness you have within a single blank, the rolled sheet would have to be mm thin at one side and a few cm thick at the other. I'm pretty sure that the Royal Mint machinery is not even capable of producing such a sheet. It is illegal to spend counterfeit money, as it is fraud, although proving intent in the case of a single £1 coin would be difficult. Ah good point! Is it illegal to sell circulating coinage as counterfeit money.... not that I have any intention of doing so. Yes! It's the property of Customs and Excise I believe - and if known to be fake, should be handed in to a bank or police station. On the other hand, if you sold a non-counterfeit currency coin as a counterfeit, you could be done under Trades Description.. (Heads they win, tails you lose ) No joke! I once flicked a coin for heads or tails like you shouldnt do on a pool table it was a 20 pence peice and it landed on edge!!!!!! Il do my bit for England and hand it in! Il sleep easier that way

I know that standards are slipping at the Royal Mint, but I don't think they would produce one quite so shoddy. Given that somewhere up to 5% of all one pound coins are fake, it's fair to assume that you have yourself a fake. 5 percent wow!! thanks The fact the planchet has different thickness or is tapered could that change the weight or explain it being over weight? Also the planchet if it wasnt rolled out correctly surely the result would be something like this? For example the extra weight comes from the thickness, The lack of detail and weak strike on the reverse could be becuase the round didnt sit square when it was struck etc etc Or its part of that 5 % So its effectively illegal to spend counterfeit money?? Planchets are normally stamped out from a sheet of rolled alloy, which is wide enough for several blanks across that width. Given the variation of planchet thickness you have within a single blank, the rolled sheet would have to be mm thin at one side and a few cm thick at the other. I'm pretty sure that the Royal Mint machinery is not even capable of producing such a sheet. It is illegal to spend counterfeit money, as it is fraud, although proving intent in the case of a single £1 coin would be difficult. Ah good point! Is it illegal to sell circulating coinage as counterfeit money.... not that I have any intention of doing so. Yes! It's the property of Customs and Excise I believe - and if known to be fake, should be handed in to a bank or police station. On the other hand, if you sold a non-counterfeit currency coin as a counterfeit, you could be done under Trades Description.. (Heads they win, tails you lose ) No joke! I once flicked a coin for heads or tails like you shouldnt do on a pool table it was a 20 pence peice and it landed on edge!!!!!!

I have no knowledge of Jersey coinage, but the coin pictured is definitely the result of a cracked die. It is pretty common for die cracks to roughly follow the baseline of the legend as this one does through "ELFT". JerseyCoins is a mine of information - die varieties etc David Wow that it is! thankyou thats great Shame its not a penny aye!

I know that standards are slipping at the Royal Mint, but I don't think they would produce one quite so shoddy. Given that somewhere up to 5% of all one pound coins are fake, it's fair to assume that you have yourself a fake. 5 percent wow!! thanks The fact the planchet has different thickness or is tapered could that change the weight or explain it being over weight? Also the planchet if it wasnt rolled out correctly surely the result would be something like this? For example the extra weight comes from the thickness, The lack of detail and weak strike on the reverse could be becuase the round didnt sit square when it was struck etc etc Or its part of that 5 % So its effectively illegal to spend counterfeit money?? Planchets are normally stamped out from a sheet of rolled alloy, which is wide enough for several blanks across that width. Given the variation of planchet thickness you have within a single blank, the rolled sheet would have to be mm thin at one side and a few cm thick at the other. I'm pretty sure that the Royal Mint machinery is not even capable of producing such a sheet. It is illegal to spend counterfeit money, as it is fraud, although proving intent in the case of a single £1 coin would be difficult. Ah good point! Is it illegal to sell circulating coinage as counterfeit money.... not that I have any intention of doing so.

I have no knowledge of Jersey coinage, but the coin pictured is definitely the result of a cracked die. It is pretty common for die cracks to roughly follow the baseline of the legend as this one does through "ELFT". JerseyCoins is a mine of information - die varieties etc David Wow that it is! thankyou thats great