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  1. 8 hours ago, 1949threepence said:

    In fact, let us narrow it down to pennies in particular. If we assume that Court's estimated mintage figures are correct, and we also accept a generous reclamation rate of 90%, that theoretically leaves the following current figures of extant pennies for the following varieties:-

    1903 open date - estimated mintage 37,300 - potentially still in existence      3,730 (extremely unlikely to be anywhere near as high)

    1905 F 160 - estimated mintage  3,231, 359  - potentially still in existence  323,136 (plausible, but unlikely to be that high)

    1908 F164  - estimated mintage  1,166,550   - potentially still in existence  116,655 (plausible, but unlikely to be that high)

    1908 F164A  estimated mintage      55, 550   - potentially still in existence      5,555 (extremely unlikely to be anywhere near as high)

    1909 F169  - estimated mintage       23,200   - potentially still in existence     2,320 (almost certainly more would have come to light of this extremely rare and sought after variety)

    1911 Gouby X - estimated mintage 188,000 -  potentially still in existence      18,800 (extremely unlikely to be anywhere near as high)

    1913 F175 -  estimated mintage 1,733,500   - potentially still in existence    173,350 (extremely unlikely to be anywhere near as high)

    1913 F176 -  estimated mintage    948,750   - potentially still in existence       94,875 (extremely unlikely to be anywhere near as high)

    So that leaves three possibilities: 1) The reclamation rate was much higher than 90%:  2) Court's figures are incorrect: 3) There are many thousands sitting out there somewhere, still waiting to be discovered.

    I find it difficult to accept that Court's figures are that much out, as he was working from a substantial pre melt population, which should be representative of the whole population then still in existence. I also think it highly improbable that there are so many thousands of the rare varieties still sitting out there, given that nearly 50 years have elapsed, several generations have passed, and surely most jam jar/kitchen drawer/garage collections would have been looked at by now, and profits turned, wherever possible. 

    That just leaves one possibility - that the RM withdrawal rate of pennies was in fact, ultimately much higher than 90%. Maybe as high as over 99% in many cases, especially on varieties not at that point well known. Moreover, given what I've alluded to previously on this forum, that a fair percentage of F175 & 176, for example, are high grade, it would suggest that they had previously been collected and put away by default, purely as date types. Their much rarer significance having not been known about by the collector at the time.

    Very interesting topic and no easy answers.

    I somehow doubt a reclamation rate of 90% too - from memory the British West African withdrawal rate was around 90% for two shillings coins (the highest rate for any denomination).

    I suppose some of the survivors would be too worn to identify (probably not a whole lot though - 60 years of circulation has left plenty of half-decent coins) and I suppose a fair few would have been sent overseas. I'm sure plenty of British pennies ended up in Australia and New Zealand at least and I think the average collector here in Australia isn't too bothered with Freeman numbers.

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  2. On 2/5/2020 at 3:00 AM, VickySilver said:

    OK, don't get excited as it is only and primarily an edge variety with bevelled edges although there are some other differences.

    What are the other differences?

    On 2/6/2020 at 3:17 PM, VickySilver said:

    As an addendum, I am unaware of any publishing of the contents of the Pretoria Mint before it was deaquisitioned - does anybody know of source material?

    Agreed! It is often mentioned as the source of those 1924 proof sets with the 1922 penny but I can't find a source to back that up. https://coins.ha.com/itm/great-britain/great-britain-george-v-satin-finish-specimen-set-1924-and-1922-not-listed-in-the-spink-guide-but-well-known-these-are/a/340-15206.s mentions an old collection from South Africa but that's a little vague.

  3. Do reverse A/no B.P. 1904 half sovereigns exist? I haven't seen one but haven't been to track many images of 1904 half sovereigns to check.

    Marsh says that they do but he said that reverse B/B.P. 1904P half sovereigns exist and I've looked at a few and I think they probably don't (and it is listed as unverified in the local Australian catalogue).

  4. On 1/3/2020 at 11:00 AM, JLS said:

    Closer to home, I think Sweden has never been invaded by the UK ? Although I guess some of modern day Sweden was ruled by Canute...

    I think the book I remember considered only comparatively modern events - my history isn't great but a small number of British soldiers may have snuck into Sweden at some point in World War II (or maybe it was Norway)?

  5. Is there a better way to pick these than the flat/curved-base letters?

    https://www.drakesterling.com/catalog/product/view/id/128122/s/1893-half-crown-2/category/54/ looks like a reverse A.

    https://onlinecoin.club/Coins/Country/United_Kingdom/Halfcrown_1893/ looks like a reverse B, as does https://collections.museumvictoria.com.au/items/70926

    At a glance they look roughly the same, denticle alignment-wise - I didn't count but will if there's no other obvious distinguishing difference.

  6. On 1/2/2020 at 5:34 AM, Paddy said:

    Probably others can add many more. Someone was quoted in a recent documentary as saying that 70% of the countries of the world have either been part of the British Empire or invaded by it at some point! (They did include Chile because some British pirates landed there once, which I think was stretching the point too far.)

    I remember a book being written in 2012 or so that said all but three countries (or something like that) had been invaded in some way or other by the British - I don't remember them all but I think Mongolia was one and one of the land-locked ones in South America too.

    Anyway, Jerome Remick's book, while out of print, I think probably covers all the Commonwealth countries, territories and settlements etc.

  7. On 11/28/2019 at 8:39 PM, Bernie said:

    A coin such as this coronet could circulate quite easily between millions of exchanges by non collectors without even being looked at. Even if it was noticed now and again as being different, it would still not have stopped it being spent, especially in the chewing gum machine.

    I remember a few years ago a friend of a friend saying they found a double-headed coin in change - a magician's coin or whatever I'm sure - but they said they spent it.

    They only mentioned it to me because they knew I was a collector.